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2012-07-20 06:19:50

#1751

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,813|6321|eXtreme to the maX

Camm wrote:
Jay wrote:
If you let off the throttle it will understeer and you will fishtail.
It won't understeer... It will change direction but it won't understeer.

Or fishtail....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishtailing

Fishtailing (also called "tank slapping") is a vehicle handling problem which occurs when the rear wheels lose traction, resulting in oversteer. This can be caused by low friction surfaces (sand, gravel, rain, snow, ice, etc.). Rear-drive vehicles with sufficient power can induce this loss of traction on any surface, which is called power-oversteer.

Fuck Israel

2012-07-20 06:21:15

#1752

DrunkFace: Germans did 911; +427|6896|Disaster Free Zone

Dilbert_X wrote:
I was just wondering, because in my experience as soon as you take your foot off a RWD regains traction and stops sliding.
The people who try to regain control with a huge power slide usually end up in the ditch, real life not being like TV.

So you've never heard of or done "lift off oversteer"??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lift-off_oversteer Its a real thing.

2012-07-20 06:25:11

#1753

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5573|London, England

DrunkFace wrote:
Dilbert_X wrote:
I was just wondering, because in my experience as soon as you take your foot off a RWD regains traction and stops sliding.
The people who try to regain control with a huge power slide usually end up in the ditch, real life not being like TV.
So you've never heard of or done "lift off oversteer"??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lift-off_oversteer Its a real thing.

He doesn't care. He's just feeling peckish and wants someone to fall for his trolling today.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
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2012-07-20 06:27:35

#1754

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,813|6321|eXtreme to the maX

Yes, but as it suggests, modern front engined cars with reasonable suspension geometry shouldn't suffer from it too badly.

If you lift off with a RWD its certainly not going to understeer or fishtail dramatically, the opposite in fact.

Fuck Israel

2012-07-20 06:28:53

#1755

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,813|6321|eXtreme to the maX

Jay wrote:
DrunkFace wrote:
Dilbert_X wrote:
I was just wondering, because in my experience as soon as you take your foot off a RWD regains traction and stops sliding.
The people who try to regain control with a huge power slide usually end up in the ditch, real life not being like TV.
So you've never heard of or done "lift off oversteer"??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lift-off_oversteer Its a real thing.
He doesn't care. He's just feeling peckish and wants someone to fall for his trolling today.

So which is it Jay, lifting off causes understeer or oversteer?
You're going to have to pick one.

Really I'd suggest you stop pontificating about things you've only heard about.

Fuck Israel

2012-07-20 06:29:46

#1756

13urnzz: Banned; +5,830|6712

oohh, a heavyweight fight

2012-07-20 06:30:30

#1757

Camm: Feeding the Cats.; +761|5183|Dundee, Scotland.

13urnzz wrote:
oohh, a heavyweight fight

hahahahaha

for a fatty you're a serious intellectual lightweight.

2012-07-20 06:31:11

#1758

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5573|London, England

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Edit - What a stupid tattoo

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2012-07-20 06:31:54

#1759

PrivateVendetta: I DEMAND XMAS THEME; +704|6406|Roma

LOL
for a fatty you're a serious intellectual lightweight.

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2012-07-20 06:32:38

#1760

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,813|6321|eXtreme to the maX

I'm ready

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Fuck Israel

2012-07-20 06:33:54

#1761

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,813|6321|eXtreme to the maX

Jay wrote:

Edit - What a stupid tattoo

You should be more careful with your next one.

Fuck Israel

2012-07-20 06:37:08

#1762

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5800

Of all the heavyweights you could have picked why Brock?!

2012-07-20 06:40:38

#1763

PrivateVendetta: I DEMAND XMAS THEME; +704|6406|Roma

aryan master race

2012-07-20 06:41:32

#1764

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,813|6321|eXtreme to the maX

Because he's the only one who also has a penis tattoo on his chest?

Fuck Israel

2012-07-20 07:59:56

#1765

_j5689_: Dreads & Bergers; +364|6932|Riva, MD

The worst fishtailing I've ever done led me to do a 180 degree slip into the curb(I was fighting it but the car fought harder, it's like it WANTED to fuck up) when I took a left turn on wet road way too fast. No body damage but the rear air suspension was fucked and the rear axle was bent in three places and needed to be replaced. That was when I first started driving though, haven't had a problem since, especially now that I got newish rear tires

PrivateVendetta wrote:
Thing was a beast. Typical American SUV. Looked like a 4WD, wasn't, was basic as fuck inside, but with a huge engine and 9 seats.

It sounds like you almost wanted to have one yourself, lol.

2012-07-20 08:48:34

#1766

PrivateVendetta: I DEMAND XMAS THEME; +704|6406|Roma

Isn't fishtailing basically driver induced oscillations? So the more you fight it the worse it becomes because you can't react quick enough each time, so you end up increasing the swerve. Unless you act counter-intuitively

2012-07-20 08:50:32

#1767

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5573|London, England

Ya

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
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2012-07-20 08:52:25

#1768

eleven bravo: Member; +1,399|5474|foggy bottom

Cock Chestnar

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2012-07-20 20:17:09

#1769

_j5689_: Dreads & Bergers; +364|6932|Riva, MD

I think I finally found out where my vacuum leak is(4 months after it started, lol), the rubber part where my plastic PCV tube meets the intake plenum is cracked and stretched out too much to completely seal with the PCV tube nipple and I can see the oily fluid residue on that part of the PCV pipe from it leaking out. That's gotta to be it, there's simply no other vacuum-dependent parts that I've ever found that looked problematic on the car. Found the whole 98-02 PCV system assembly for $20 shipped on eBay, can't wait to see what happens when it gets here

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2012-07-24 00:29:59

#1770

Reciprocity: Member; +721|6796|the dank(super) side of Oregon

didn't i tell you to look for that 4 months ago?

2012-07-24 01:47:38

#1771

Toilet Sex: one love, one pig; +1,775|6787

probably. judging by the girl problems thread he doesn't deal with advice well

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2012-07-24 06:43:30

#1772

13urnzz: Banned; +5,830|6712

lol

2012-07-24 20:04:48

#1773

TSI: Cholera in the time of love; +247|6196|Toronto

About the sliding, over/understeer:

In any car, if you are going too fast around a bend, you can get understeer or oversteer, or both (one after the other) FWD, RWD, AWD, doesn't matter. What matters is the traction each tire has, the suspension loads and the application of power. I've gotten a FWD car to slide with no hanbrake with liftoff oversteer, much like a RWD understeer under heavy braking.

In terms of recovering, though, I will say that FWD is easier, unless you have an LSD on your RWD (in which case you can do epic slides).

I have owned FWD (Jetta GLi), AWD (Audi CS90q), RWD (BMW E30); of the three, the RWD is most fun to drive, the AWD is the safest and best in winter (although the Audi was front-heavy), and the FWD is best for city driving (easier to quickly change direction when stopped if you spin the wheels a bit). For rallying, at least in summer, I prefer the BMW.

I like pie.

2012-07-24 23:09:47

#1774

_j5689_: Dreads & Bergers; +364|6932|Riva, MD

Reciprocity wrote:
didn't i tell you to look for that 4 months ago?

Yeah but I honestly couldn't find anything until I looked at that and realized cracked/worn hoses generally don't do good shit for anything from what I read about coolant hoses. The rubber piece was moist from stuff leaking through the cracks and it just felt too expanded to properly grip the PCV tube all the way anymore, I couldn't imagine that to be good for vacuum at all. I hope this is it, there's really not any other shitty cracked hoses connected to anything on the intake plenum and I think the only other cause would be that I might not have cleaned the cylinder head surface enough before I put the intake manifold gaskets on and that wouldn't be sealing properly. Either that or I simply don't have a vacuum leak anymore.

The only real running problem is the tiniest little idling inconsistency in drive, it still bothers me because the car didn't used to do that, everybody else thinks I'm being picky. It also seems to lose an excessive amount of power from turning the A/C on, I understand that that'll happen but I think it's not supposed to bog down the car as much as it does, this of course could also go back to the vacuum leak though since the A/C is very dependent on that

2012-07-25 00:07:47

#1775

FatherTed: xD; +3,936|6715|so randum

just get a new car jesus christ

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