BF2S Forums Has 1.3 ruined BF2's gameplay?

Anyway point on point I played with my clan last night and not ONE person complained about the squad hop changes.

You people cry, bitch and moan, omg noes my squad hop omg noes bf2 teamplay is ruined forever oh noes. But you want the assult guy's grenade launcher to blow ass so you can kill him with your l85 and then heal yourself when his grenade bounces past your feet. You cry and have the c4 chuck removed because some ass was throwing c4 bags at your spawn place and blowing you up, and felt this was an exploit. Dice reviewed it and fixed it.

So DICE reviewed THEIR videogame that THEY developed, not YOU and fixed what they felt needed to be fixed.

I dont see why everyone is crying over spilt milk.

ChiefCrash wrote:

That would still leave the "squadleader dies, so leaves and rejoins squad to spawn on his squadmember (which is now the squadleader)" exploit

I don't think that is an exploit. Even if it was why has it taken them almost a year to "fix" it.

ChiefCrash wrote:

Seriously, how is the squad hop thing a big deal?  You stay in one squad.  You all spawn on that one squad leader the whole game.  have someone be a medic to revive the squad leader if he gets shot...

at least you still HAVE a squad leader spawn...

Judging by my stats 50% of the time I'm a squad leader. I can't spawn on myself can I? And often when I get killed there isnt a chance to revive me; its usually where the enemy is, out in the open, the medic squad members are dead or I've been right off killed .

Varegg wrote:

No it wouldn`t be - the game changes as all good games do, some for the worse and some for the better, i haven`t had enough hours yet to determine for or against but so far i think this is the best patch yet - it increases teamwork - you actually have to stay with the squad or loose much time ingame - very good, keep teams tighter and highlights the medic as a very important caracter responsible for keeping the squadleader alive for the others to spawn on .....

Medics have always been important. I generally always stay in the same squad anyway, we just cycle squad leadership so that we can stay in the action. Also, as stated above it's not always possible to be revived.

Varegg wrote:

Besides that for all the whiners - give it a chance - see the possibilities with the patch - what you gain and not what you loose - adapt - its the same for everybody !

Yes it is the same for everbody but not everyone has the same playing style. I myself am an agressive player who likes to be in the thick of the action as soon as possible or capturing flags with my squad behind the enemy.

Varegg wrote:

PS : Take a look throughout the forum, i`ve never seen so many happy members bragging about their new awards - goody :-)

So awards got easier to get? I think some of the award changes were quite bad and weakend the pride of getting one..

137[CSi] wrote:

Anyway point on point I played with my clan last night and not ONE person complained about the squad hop changes.

Hurray for your clan members?

137[CSi] wrote:

You people cry, bitch and moan, omg noes my squad hop omg noes bf2 teamplay is ruined forever oh noes.

137[CSi] wrote:

But you want the assult guy's grenade launcher to blow ass so you can kill him with your l85 and then heal yourself when his grenade bounces past your feet.

Noob tubing was rightfully nerfed. I rarely play as medic (a total of 01:26:23 out of the 352:59:26 I've played).

137[CSi] wrote:

You cry and have the c4 chuck removed because some ass was throwing c4 bags at your spawn place and blowing you up, and felt this was an exploit. Dice reviewed it and fixed it.

I never had anything, or said anything, against C4 spamming.

137[CSi] wrote:

So DICE reviewed THEIR videogame that THEY developed, not YOU and fixed what they felt needed to be fixed.

Yes, it's there game and they can do what they want with it. Has it ever been wrong to criticise something you can't actively change? Also, I'm not the only person who is against the changes to the squad system.

I like the new patch from what I've seen so far, crashed to desktop the first time I tried to load but was fine after that.
Teamwork still seemed to be working, you just have to work with one squad instead of them all.
The awards are coming much easier which cheapens some of it but I allways just wanted to kill anyways like bf'42.
This patch secures 2142's future as people will surely want more abuse from EA/Dice so they can moan in some forum like a $2.00 whore.

The answer is No from what I can see so far but much more play testing is needed.

Air droping help lol

No matter what changes are made, some people will not like it. And, the people who don't like something are going to be more vocal about it then the ones who like the change. Most of the changes EA has made I agree with. Some people will say that EA is only making the changes to make it easier for "noob" players. But, for instance, does mastering the art of spamming the jump and prone actions (i.e. dolphin diving) make you a good player? Yes, this is a game, but it is supposed to be a combat simulation of sorts. The good players should be the ones that use good combat skills like flanking, coordinating attaks, etc. Not those that can master a keystroke that makes them look like a spastic making themselves difficult to hit.

The point of this thread is how 1.3 has or has not ruined the game because of the change to squad hopping. There was a long list of changes in 1.3, but most of the complaints revolve around this issue. Why? Because people found a way to exploit this feature which detracts from the combat skills the game was supposed to encourage. Even with the patch there are still some exploits that are available such as the SL taking a transport helicopter very high above the airfield on Wake, then having the squad members spawn on him and parachute down to the airfield over and over until they cap that flag.

When a previous patch increased the AA accuracy and reduced the armor on aircraft there were a lot of people that complained that it ruined the aircraft. Well, forgive me if I think that when you shoot an AA missle at an aircraft that it should hit it more often than not (I know, I worked with Stinger missles in the Army). Besides, I still see pilots dominating. I went 33-1 on a wake round recently and I'm not that good of a pilot.

So, instead of ruining the squad, I think EA has made it so squads must utilize teamwork more effectively. To make a squad effective it will now require a more balanced mix of kits. The squad will need to have at least one medic to revive the SL if he is taken down. Heck, I think the SL should be the medic. Then anyone in the squad can pick up his kit and revive him if need be.

Last edited by Psycho (2006-05-24 19:49:16)

graag wrote:

DrunkFlea wrote:

Colfax wrote:

Do people commit suicide then join a new squad in a new town in real life too?

Please, for the sake of this argument do not try to draw the real life comparison.  You can still spawn off of the squad leader can't you?  When does that happen in real life?

Well, it could happen in the Thirty Years War (1618-1648).

I can see it now, for the sake of realism EA removes spawning off of the squad leader altogether, and adds the new Pregnant Momma kit with 1.4.

It kinda seems the more they patch the more boring the game becomes.

DrunkFlea wrote:

Why bash others for having an opinion.  This is a FORUM and I believe the thread title is correct for the discussion taking place.  Are you lost?

If its a discussion then practice what you preach. The title of the thread is has 1.3 ruined bf2's gameplay. This dude spouts off and says he's mad at the world because Dice changed something in the game they made. I dont see where I went off topic.

I simply defended my original statements, I think its time you start applying that vagisil in heavy doses. Seems your vaginal irritation is creeping up on you as well.

I for one feel the changes in 1.3 were just unnecessary.  This doesn't mean I have no idea what the sun looks like, just simply that I have an OPINION.

Well thats great, ill be right back with -1 and some cookies.

Haven't played BF since the patch came out!

WiBu wrote:

137[CSi] wrote:

If its a discussion then practice what you preach. The title of the thread is has 1.3 ruined bf2's gameplay. This dude spouts off and says he's mad at the world because Dice changed something in the game they made. I dont see where I went off topic.

I defended my right to criticise so now, according to yourself, I hate the world because of the squad system changes. Wow...

Hate the world is an expression, slappy.

I really think the new vehicle drop makes the game much fsater.  Karkand became a freaking indy 500 race ... everyone had a vehicle.

WiBu wrote:

I can't help but feel 1.3 has ruined BF2's gameplay. Before the patch action was fast (most of the time), flags were constaintly dropping/being captured, advancements were reletively frequent and it was possible to do pretty well as the assaulting team (US on wake, MEC on sharqi etc).

After 1.3 the game just feel slow, flags rarely drop/get taken, it's near on impossible to have a sustained assault on wake to get a flag, it's hard to make advancements of any effect behind the enemy, and teamplay has been nerfed; I used to be in a squad with friends all the time, now it just seems like I'm better off lone wolfing it.

Why has this happend? They've effectively made squads useless. I know why they've done it, squad hopping around the map is wrong (capturing a flag, suiciding and then joining the squad on the other side map to capture another flag). However, squad hopping to get to the battle, to help an advancement, even to capture flags without the suicide is part of the BF2 gameplay mechanics and what make (made?) it a great game. Now it's just a slow combering beast which in all fairness, is boring to play.

I've played 4 or so rounds with the patch and all of them suffered from the same fate, the 2 wake rounds the US failed to make any real dent on the main island, occasionally capturing a flag and then losing is soon after. the second 2 rounds where on sharqi where the MEC suffered the same fate as the US on wake.

Edit:

It seems some people just want to argue. I've just got a -1 karma for this; the reason "bitch bitch bitch".

Edit 2: Some more bad karma coming in. "not being an intelligent poster" and "stop complaining". Thanks to the people who are willing to listen though and are being constructive.

dude, the patch hasn't even been out for a day yet.  How about you chill, wait for a week or so... and then complain?  What your doing is similar to getting a new dog, and then selling it because it can't roll over by the next day.  I don't think you'd do that would you? Exactly.

Psycho wrote:

No matter what changes are made, some people will not like it. And, the people who don't like something are going to be more vocal about it then the ones who like the change. Most of the changes EA has made I agree with. Some people will say that EA is only making the changes to make it easier for "noob" players. But, for instance, does mastering the art of spamming the jump and prone actions (i.e. dolphin diving) make you a good player? Yes, this is a game, but it is supposed to be a combat simulation of sorts. The good players should be the ones that use good combat skills like flanking, coordinating a6ttaks, etc. Not those that can master a keystroke that makes them look like a spastic making themselves difficult to hit.

The point of this thread is how 1.3 has or has not ruined the game because of the change to squad hopping. There was a long list of changes in 1.3, but most of the complaints revolve around this issue. Why? Because people found a way to exploit this feature which detracts from the combat skills the game was supposed to encourage. Even with the patch there are still some exploits that are available such as the SL taking a transport helicopter very high above the airfield on Wake, then having the squad members spawn on him and parachute down to the airfield over and over until they cap that flag.

When a previous patch increased the AA accuracy and reduced the armor on aircraft there were a lot of people that complained that it ruined the aircraft. Well, forgive me if I think that when you shoot an AA missle at an aircraft that it should hit it more often than not. Besides, I still see pilots dominating. I went 33-1 on a wake round recently and I'm not that good of a pilot.

So, instead of ruining the squad, I think EA has made it so squads must utilize teamwork more effectively. To make a squad effective it will not require a more balanced mix of kits. The squad will need to have at least one medic to revive the SL if he is taken down. Heck, I think the SL should be the medic. Then anyone in the squad can pick up his kit and revive him if need be.

100% with this answer.