sorry teds they just didn't have them autocannonsFatherTed wrote:
take that backCheeky_Ninja06 wrote:
From modern day simulators it still wasnt quite as good as the German stuff.FatherTed wrote:
hey ok this is cool but the spitfire owned so just throwing that in the mix
FatherTed wrote:
hey ok this is cool but the spitfire owned so just throwing that in the mix
Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:
From modern day simulators it still wasnt quite as good as the German stuff.
Me-109F, 25% fuel, and the art of the controlled "kick-turn"FatherTed wrote:
take that back
Me-109K4, and the art of long range 20mm/30mm gunnery
He-111, and the art of high altitude precision bombing, then the madness of low-level inverted under-the-bridge flying while listening to the horrified screams of your friends over ventrilo, manning the gunner slots of your bomber.
"Gunner shot off the vertical stabilizer? oh.. no worries.. [Leonardo DeCaprio face] that just means we can fly lower"
I miss IL-2
I will continue the polite fiction of pretending they didn't piss all over their fanbase with Flaming Pile of Shit: Cliffs of Bendover
Spitfires had far more awesome points then anything the Germans ever had especially those ones theyve just dug up with double the power!FatherTed wrote:
take that backCheeky_Ninja06 wrote:
From modern day simulators it still wasnt quite as good as the German stuff.FatherTed wrote:
hey ok this is cool but the spitfire owned so just throwing that in the mix
Were Spitfires really that good? I always thought Meshershmidt 109s, Hellcats, Corsairs, and Mustangs were better.
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And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.
pfff the spitfire outturns the mustang any day-Sh1fty- wrote:
Were Spitfires really that good? I always thought Meshershmidt 109s, Hellcats, Corsairs, and Mustangs were better.
How does it pair up to those other ones? Also how do you know that? Just wondering what your sources are.
To be perfectly honest I don't know shit about any of them but I've heard great stories about those planes I've mentioned. I always saw the spitfire as pretty maintenance heavy and fragile, although very agile. Sort of like a Zero
To be perfectly honest I don't know shit about any of them but I've heard great stories about those planes I've mentioned. I always saw the spitfire as pretty maintenance heavy and fragile, although very agile. Sort of like a Zero
And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.
performance stats? lmao. A friend used to have a book about WWII fighters, and I remember perusing it... I always thought the D.520 was the best looking.
And you haven't heard great stories about the spitfire? bull-shit
And you haven't heard great stories about the spitfire? bull-shit
I've heard stories. Mostly from the Battle of Britain.
I've just heard many more stories about Mustangs escorting bombers, corsairs and hellcats beating the everloving shit out of the jap zeros, meshershmidts making B19s look like cardboard boxes, etc. I don't do much research on planes. All I really know is from this WW2 fighter book my uncle has, and the military channel. All I hear is the Spitfire was a decent dogfighter. I never hear shit like those hellcats that take 200+ rounds, or P38s out-turning Zeros, etc.
I've just heard many more stories about Mustangs escorting bombers, corsairs and hellcats beating the everloving shit out of the jap zeros, meshershmidts making B19s look like cardboard boxes, etc. I don't do much research on planes. All I really know is from this WW2 fighter book my uncle has, and the military channel. All I hear is the Spitfire was a decent dogfighter. I never hear shit like those hellcats that take 200+ rounds, or P38s out-turning Zeros, etc.
And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.
Remember that spitfires were around before the corsairs, hellcats and stangs. The 109s we're also very new when the battle of britain raged.-Sh1fty- wrote:
Were Spitfires really that good? I always thought Meshershmidt 109s, Hellcats, Corsairs, and Mustangs were better.
The spitfire also received many many many improvements over its career in WW2. I would definitely rank it as one of the best fighters of WW2.
If the women don't find ya handsome. They should at least find ya handy.
lol mustang
its already been debated. a flying brick can make a good warplane
/rwf about WW2 warplanes
" the Royal Aircraft Establishment estimated the Spitfire's turning circle – without height loss – as 212 m (700 ft) in radius (the Hurricane's would be slightly tighter) while the 109E's was estimated as 270 m (890 ft) radius at 3,657 m (12,000 ft)"-Sh1fty- wrote:
I've heard stories. Mostly from the Battle of Britain.
I've just heard many more stories about Mustangs escorting bombers, corsairs and hellcats beating the everloving shit out of the jap zeros, meshershmidts making B19s look like cardboard boxes, etc. I don't do much research on planes. All I really know is from this WW2 fighter book my uncle has, and the military channel. All I hear is the Spitfire was a decent dogfighter. I never hear shit like those hellcats that take 200+ rounds, or P38s out-turning Zeros, etc.
wat
890ft at 12,000 ft altitude?Trotskygrad wrote:
" the Royal Aircraft Establishment estimated the Spitfire's turning circle – without height loss – as 212 m (700 ft) in radius (the Hurricane's would be slightly tighter) while the 109E's was estimated as 270 m (890 ft) radius at 3,657 m (12,000 ft)"-Sh1fty- wrote:
I've heard stories. Mostly from the Battle of Britain.
I've just heard many more stories about Mustangs escorting bombers, corsairs and hellcats beating the everloving shit out of the jap zeros, meshershmidts making B19s look like cardboard boxes, etc. I don't do much research on planes. All I really know is from this WW2 fighter book my uncle has, and the military channel. All I hear is the Spitfire was a decent dogfighter. I never hear shit like those hellcats that take 200+ rounds, or P38s out-turning Zeros, etc.
wat
Yes, I love the A-10.RTHKI wrote:
its already been debated. a flying brick can make a good warplane
When an A-10 flies over your head, inverted, low enough that you can tell the model of sunglasses he's wearing...
"Damn. Ray-Ban 510's. I have a set of those"
A-10 pilots are a different kind of pilot.
They really care about the guys on the ground.
Which, considering the ordnance they have on tap, is a very good thing.
I would love to fly an A-10
A10s are awesome
Holy crap I want good enough eyes to tell what glasses a guy is wearing
I remember on Memphis Belle when the guy is like "That guy had blue eyes" I was all, BULLSHIT and my sister (20/10 vision) was all, "nope totally possible"
fuck me
Also P38s had yokes instead of joysticks. I always found that interesting.
Holy crap I want good enough eyes to tell what glasses a guy is wearing
I remember on Memphis Belle when the guy is like "That guy had blue eyes" I was all, BULLSHIT and my sister (20/10 vision) was all, "nope totally possible"
fuck me
Also P38s had yokes instead of joysticks. I always found that interesting.
And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.
Wasn't so much great eyes, as an A-10 sneaking up on you and screaming growling over your head really gets your attention.
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You're right. I'm trying to articulate a point but just can't do it.
A-10's..... as a old ground pounder, just lov 'em.
When they first came into service the Air Force did NOT want them.
"It fly's so fast it takes bird strikes..... in the ass."
But it built a rep with flyer's and slowly the "Right" pilots for it's mission started pushing it to the limit and finding there was more out there.
Then the Brass really started working to kill it.
The Gulf War saved the A-10 with the pounding some of them took, and the "Hang around time" from the Scud Hunt.
Remember that the Brass before the Gulf War were working to replace it with the F-16 for ground support.
Now.... back to Spit's.
The Spit started out as a air racer. The fore runner of the Bf 109 started out as a fast speed air mail craft.
One needs speed and turning, the other flat out speed. Head to head both are damn good craft. I'm of the mind that there so close that it's more the pilot then the air frame.
The Zero gave up everything to make it light. No armor, no self sealing fuel tanks, light weight framing.
Craft from Grumman.... flying frickin tank, fantastic bird.
Mustang. Was a BIG fail without the Merlin up front. Extra fuel tank behind the pilot and you have the first fighter that could go to Germany and back.
P 38. Before the U.S. got into the war the Brit's had a look but the rules from the U.S. would not let them be built to take one very important item.
The Supercharger.
So the first one deployed in the ETO by the Brit's had a power to weight problem that had them pulled as more Spit's came on line.
When they first came into service the Air Force did NOT want them.
"It fly's so fast it takes bird strikes..... in the ass."
But it built a rep with flyer's and slowly the "Right" pilots for it's mission started pushing it to the limit and finding there was more out there.
Then the Brass really started working to kill it.
The Gulf War saved the A-10 with the pounding some of them took, and the "Hang around time" from the Scud Hunt.
Remember that the Brass before the Gulf War were working to replace it with the F-16 for ground support.
Now.... back to Spit's.
The Spit started out as a air racer. The fore runner of the Bf 109 started out as a fast speed air mail craft.
One needs speed and turning, the other flat out speed. Head to head both are damn good craft. I'm of the mind that there so close that it's more the pilot then the air frame.
The Zero gave up everything to make it light. No armor, no self sealing fuel tanks, light weight framing.
Craft from Grumman.... flying frickin tank, fantastic bird.
Mustang. Was a BIG fail without the Merlin up front. Extra fuel tank behind the pilot and you have the first fighter that could go to Germany and back.
P 38. Before the U.S. got into the war the Brit's had a look but the rules from the U.S. would not let them be built to take one very important item.
The Supercharger.
So the first one deployed in the ETO by the Brit's had a power to weight problem that had them pulled as more Spit's came on line.
The fore-runner of the Spitfire was an air racer.Karbin wrote:
The Spit started out as a air racer.
The ME109 started out disguised as a mail aircraft.The fore runner of the Bf 109 started out as a fast speed air mail craft.
Flat out speed was very important, as was climb rate. If the other aircraft has 100mph and 5,000ft on you you won't see him coming, won't see him passing and won't see him leaving, in the meantime there is nothing you can do.One needs speed and turning, the other flat out speed. Head to head both are damn good craft. I'm of the mind that there so close that it's more the pilot then the air frame.
If he can out climb you you'll never catch him up.
Once into a dogfight it comes down to pilot skill and ability to take g, Spitfire and Messerschmidt could both out-g the pilot.
The Spitfire was always a short-range fighter, and never intended for anything else. Except fast PR unarmed and unarmoured.
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Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй!
Not really.rdx-fx wrote:
Japan was nuked twice, then still had to think about whether or not to surrender
Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй!