Disclaimer*Uzique wrote:
okay jay let's break this down for your magnificent intellect to digest:
a) they were not children. most of them were young adults. the few young people were in their mid-teens. they are not being indoctrinated as 6-7 year old hitler jugend. you don't know what you're talking about here.
b) it's a summer camp for goody two-shoes kids. middle-class kids that want to do something productive with their summer. a civics camp. encouraging citizenship. they're not all there chanting the party slogan and worshipping portraits of the current prime minister. they are there to do community work and to generally take part in their wider community and feel belonging, integration, compassion for their citizens. it is a positive and good thing, no matter which way you look at it. also of course it's great for the resumes of any young kids that are intending to have a career in politics or journalism or any public office. it's a way of 'taking part'. it's not some socialist dogma camp.
c) you are wrong. please go do some reading before you spout your mouth. it's horrifically insensitive considering you are talking about 77 dead kids here who were just trying to do something positive and community-minded with their summer vacation.
Only people from Florida are allowed to go?Jay wrote:
Yeah, deflect. He's doing it in Florida because it's full of rednecks. Bible belt etc. The only thing Florida has in common with the northeast is our old people go there to die.
Sigh...coke wrote:
Only people from Florida are allowed to go?Jay wrote:
Yeah, deflect. He's doing it in Florida because it's full of rednecks. Bible belt etc. The only thing Florida has in common with the northeast is our old people go there to die.
Ah I see...Jay wrote:
Sigh...coke wrote:
Only people from Florida are allowed to go?Jay wrote:
Yeah, deflect. He's doing it in Florida because it's full of rednecks. Bible belt etc. The only thing Florida has in common with the northeast is our old people go there to die.
Tampa is consistently ranked as one of the best places to live for people in their 20s. Miami is Miami. From the parts I have been, the two big metro areas, it doesn't seem all that different.Jay wrote:
Yeah, deflect. He's doing it in Florida because it's full of rednecks. Bible belt etc. The only thing Florida has in common with the northeast is our old people go there to die.
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Old people move to Florida, its a well known fact in the US. Its nice and warm, constantly summer like conditions so they can live relaxed lives without having to worry about snow and yard work.coke wrote:
Ah I see...Jay wrote:
Sigh...coke wrote:
Only people from Florida are allowed to go?
What in the fuck does the location have to do with it.
Have you ever left your island? Have you ever traveled in the US? Do people in England normally send their kids to camp in Portugal for the summer? Because that's about the equivalent here. Except the argument is even flimsier because it's the same temperature here in the summer as it is in Florida, completely negating any need to summer in a warm environment. Do you have the same culture as those living on the Orkney Islands? They're different, yes? Well, different parts of the US have different cultures too. Amazing. Florida is southern redneck. Pulling up a news article about a summer camp in Florida is about as relevant as me pulling up an article about Portuguese summer camps when talking about Merry Ole England.coke wrote:
Ah I see...Jay wrote:
Sigh...coke wrote:
Only people from Florida are allowed to go?
What in the fuck does the location have to do with it.
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I know that.specops10-4 wrote:
Old people move to Florida, its a well known fact in the US. Its nice and warm, constantly summer like conditions so they can live relaxed lives without having to worry about snow and yard work.coke wrote:
Ah I see...Jay wrote:
Sigh...
What in the fuck does the location have to do with it.
Nice for you. I'd rather move further north.Macbeth wrote:
Tampa is consistently ranked as one of the best places to live for people in their 20s. Miami is Miami. From the parts I have been, the two big metro areas, it doesn't seem all that different.Jay wrote:
Yeah, deflect. He's doing it in Florida because it's full of rednecks. Bible belt etc. The only thing Florida has in common with the northeast is our old people go there to die.
I might move to Tampa one day. I have a bunch of family down there so I won't be totally alone. The city won me over. Could use some more Asian girls though. But then again what place doesn't?
so you're telling me there are no political or religious summer camps in the entire north-east? around all those middle-class areas? with all those competitive schools? and all those well-intending career parents? you're telling me there are no summer schools whatsoever? i'm just using the tea party example (which just so happens to be in florida) because it seems like your dream summer vacation. let's not get hung up on the tea party's shebang down in florida. it's far from the only summer camp in the states - i think we both know that.Jay wrote:
Have you ever left your island? Have you ever traveled in the US? Do people in England normally send their kids to camp in Portugal for the summer? Because that's about the equivalent here. Except the argument is even flimsier because it's the same temperature here in the summer as it is in Florida, completely negating any need to summer in a warm environment. Do you have the same culture as those living on the Orkney Islands? They're different, yes? Well, different parts of the US have different cultures too. Amazing. Florida is southern redneck. Pulling up a news article about a summer camp in Florida is about as relevant as me pulling up an article about Portuguese summer camps when talking about Merry Ole England.coke wrote:
Ah I see...Jay wrote:
Sigh...
What in the fuck does the location have to do with it.
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Again so only people from Florida attend?Jay wrote:
Have you ever left your island? Have you ever traveled in the US? Do people in England normally send their kids to camp in Portugal for the summer? Because that's about the equivalent here. Except the argument is even flimsier because it's the same temperature here in the summer as it is in Florida, completely negating any need to summer in a warm environment. Do you have the same culture as those living on the Orkney Islands? They're different, yes? Well, different parts of the US have different cultures too. Amazing. Florida is southern redneck. Pulling up a news article about a summer camp in Florida is about as relevant as me pulling up an article about Portuguese summer camps when talking about Merry Ole England.coke wrote:
Ah I see...Jay wrote:
Sigh...
What in the fuck does the location have to do with it.
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thanks for dropping by for yet another dose of crazyA2TG2 wrote:
Disclaimer*Uzique wrote:
okay jay let's break this down for your magnificent intellect to digest:
a) they were not children. most of them were young adults. the few young people were in their mid-teens. they are not being indoctrinated as 6-7 year old hitler jugend. you don't know what you're talking about here.
b) it's a summer camp for goody two-shoes kids. middle-class kids that want to do something productive with their summer. a civics camp. encouraging citizenship. they're not all there chanting the party slogan and worshipping portraits of the current prime minister. they are there to do community work and to generally take part in their wider community and feel belonging, integration, compassion for their citizens. it is a positive and good thing, no matter which way you look at it. also of course it's great for the resumes of any young kids that are intending to have a career in politics or journalism or any public office. it's a way of 'taking part'. it's not some socialist dogma camp.
c) you are wrong. please go do some reading before you spout your mouth. it's horrifically insensitive considering you are talking about 77 dead kids here who were just trying to do something positive and community-minded with their summer vacation.
IF.
I repeat !!IF!!
IF you believe that globalist have over taken your country...
IF you believe that the " Islamification " of your country is well underway...
IF you believe that the moves by " the powers that be " are going to destroy the fabric of your society...
IF you believe that making a political statement is worth your own freedom or life...
IF you believe that the following generation of anointed " leaders " may deal a death blow to your nations sovereignty...
If you review history and see that some times bad change was implemented by horrific acts of violence AND that SOMETIMES bad change was prevented by horrific acts of violence...
If you can view things with an open mind from his perspective, the horrific act makes sense and can be seen as justifiable.
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The North is probably more redneckish than Florida since there aren't any big metro areas but just forest and shitJay wrote:
Nice for you. I'd rather move further north.Macbeth wrote:
Tampa is consistently ranked as one of the best places to live for people in their 20s. Miami is Miami. From the parts I have been, the two big metro areas, it doesn't seem all that different.Jay wrote:
Yeah, deflect. He's doing it in Florida because it's full of rednecks. Bible belt etc. The only thing Florida has in common with the northeast is our old people go there to die.
I might move to Tampa one day. I have a bunch of family down there so I won't be totally alone. The city won me over. Could use some more Asian girls though. But then again what place doesn't?
Land of the free... oh wait, that's not Norway, is it?Jay wrote:
I think the real takeaway from this is how disgusting it is to politically brainwash kids at such a young age. The camp should not have existed in the first place.
Not really, the US is a big country and people are not willing to send their kids hundreds if not thousands of miles to go to some summer camp in Florida. Of course there might be a few from up north but I would almost guarentee that they are all from the south/bible belt.coke wrote:
I know that.specops10-4 wrote:
Old people move to Florida, its a well known fact in the US. Its nice and warm, constantly summer like conditions so they can live relaxed lives without having to worry about snow and yard work.coke wrote:
Ah I see...
What in the fuck does the location have to do with it.
My point was that these summer camps will be made up of people from across the US, so the fact that it is "full of rednecks/in the bible belt" is largely irrelevant.
And oranges. You forgot orangesSpearhead wrote:
Florida is the 4th largest state and a huge amount of people who live in major urban centers here are either ex-northerners or kids of ex-northerners. Only the panhandle/Jacksonville has any real "southern" influence. The rest is probably closer to Las Vegas, a strange combination of crooks/business people kept afloat by the huge tourist industry.
That's what the Mexicans are forMacbeth wrote:
And oranges. You forgot oranges
it's not indoctrinationJay wrote:
A) I'm not, nor have I ever been, a tea partier.
B) If people send their kids away to summer camp it is to those cliched camps on a lake in the woods where the boys sneak across the lake to steal their first kiss from a willing lass. It's either that or day camp.
C) I have never heard of any politically affiliated summer camp. Ever. Religious? Yes. Political? No. Politics and children are a big no no here.
So yes, I found the whole thing weird, and I said as much whenever this story first came out. Again, I don't agree with indoctrination of any sort and it really surprises me that you all seem to find it to be hunkydory. Instead of saying 'hey, wait, he might have a point', you keep going on and on and on about how America is awful. Whatever.
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so what about the northerners or mid-westerners that go to tampa for the summer camp? you think the only people going to attend are southerners? dude your tea party movement are nationwide and highly mobile / willing to spend big dollar to transport themselves to political events. you're trying to make out for convenience's sake that everyone at the beck summer school will be southern rednecks. we all know that's not the case.Jay wrote:
No, they don't have the same political beliefs or political philosophy as Northerners. You really have no fucking clue at all what America is really like. JHC.