77 Dead in Norway shooting.

2012-04-19 18:29:21

#1026

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6624

Jay wrote:
Uzique wrote:
the youngest person killed in this massacre was, what? 14-15? "brainwashing"? hardly. these are proactive people with a high sense of civic pride and citizenship. they wanted to take part in voluntary summer camps to perhaps boost their own interest in politics/public service and to have fun with other driven, positive young people. "brainwashing"? i don't really see where brainwashing comes into it. the only other person that views the summer camp as a brainwashing exercise is... breivik himself. keeping some good company there, mr. super-intellectual jay.

compared to the hundreds of schools, camps and weekend activities hosted in america in the name of political partisanship or religious instruction... i'd say you have a fairly gargantuan issue to deal with in your home country, before you start implying that 77 innocent teenagers were somehow 'guilty' or 'in the wrong' just for being at a summer camp. you idiot.
I'm not saying the kids were guilty at all. That wasn't the intent of my post. I'm just saying that if anything remotely positive comes out of this event it should be these Norwegian indoctrination camps being placed in the international spotlight and them saying 'hey, maybe these aren't such a great idea after all'. I don't blame the kids, I blame the politicians setting the bullshit up in the first place.

lol norwegian indoctrination camps in the spotlight. my god you are stupid.

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2012-04-19 18:33:20

#1027

coke: Aye up duck!; +440|6863|England. Stoke

Perhaps these young adults should have just stayed at home, and reached middle age and then vented their disaffection with politics via the internet.

2012-04-19 18:34:18

#1028

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5512|London, England

Uzique wrote:
Jay wrote:
I don't know of any political party that actively tries to recruit teenagers. I despise indoctrination of all sorts be it political, religious or whatever. I just happen to despise politicians more than anything else on this planet.
i just linked to a scheme where the tea party are doing it. libertarians. rand fans. john galts.

pretty stupid of you to berate another country for doing it when it's happening on your doorstep.

pretty sickening to link it in any way to a massacre.

Florida might as well be Norway for all it impacts me. You Euros really don't get how state and geographic region-centric we are here. Florida != New York.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2012-04-19 18:36:27

#1029

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6624

yeah and summer citizenship camps != indoctrination camps either in europe.

perhaps you should respect the cross-atlantic, continental cultural divide, and stop being so idiotic about these camps?

Last edited by Uzique (2012-04-19 18:36:39)

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2012-04-19 18:37:19

#1030

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5512|London, England

coke wrote:
Perhaps these young adults should have just stayed at home, and reached middle age and then vented their disaffection with politics via the internet.

So you'd be ok with the BNP hosting youth camps?

I guess I'm the only one that equates this shit with Hitlerjugend.

https://www.hagen-58.de/Bilder/Historisches_Zentrum/140709_Hitlerjugend.jpg

Last edited by Jay (2012-04-19 18:38:28)

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
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2012-04-19 18:39:38

#1031

coke: Aye up duck!; +440|6863|England. Stoke

Jay wrote:
coke wrote:
Perhaps these young adults should have just stayed at home, and reached middle age and then vented their disaffection with politics via the internet.
So you'd be ok with the BNP hosting youth camps?

I guess I'm the only one that equates this shit with Hitlerjugend.

And there it is.

2012-04-19 18:41:37

#1032

Doctor Strangelove: Real Battlefield Veterinarian.; +1,758|6622

I'm surprised that he didn't pull it out sooner.

2012-04-19 18:42:22

#1033

coke: Aye up duck!; +440|6863|England. Stoke

Doctor Strangelove wrote:
I'm surprised that he didn't pull it out sooner.

That's what she said...

But seriously wtf.

2012-04-19 18:42:23

#1034

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6624

lol jay is on the electric koolaid again

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2012-04-19 18:42:27

#1035

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5512|London, England

Doctor Strangelove wrote:
I'm surprised that he didn't pull it out sooner.

I thought it was fairly obvious what I was talking about.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2012-04-19 18:43:13

#1036

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6624

yeah likening a summer camp where a neo-fascist nationalist just massacred 77 children to... a fascist youth movement!

you are on a master-stroke jay. you clearly understand europe so well!

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2012-04-19 18:43:17

#1037

coke: Aye up duck!; +440|6863|England. Stoke

Jay wrote:
Doctor Strangelove wrote:
I'm surprised that he didn't pull it out sooner.
I thought it was fairly obvious what I was talking about.

We were trying to give some credit, but obviously we shouldn't have bothered.

2012-04-19 18:45:41

#1038

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6870

Yeah since there's no such thing as young republicans USA lol.

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2012-04-19 18:46:40

#1039

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5512|London, England

coke wrote:
Jay wrote:
Doctor Strangelove wrote:
I'm surprised that he didn't pull it out sooner.
I thought it was fairly obvious what I was talking about.
We were trying to give some credit, but obviously we shouldn't have bothered.

So you're ok with political parties throwing summer camps for future voters then. No big deal. Fine. Over here we try to keep our schools and other crap as separated from religion as we do from politics. Secularization and all that.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2012-04-19 18:46:50

#1040

coke: Aye up duck!; +440|6863|England. Stoke

Cybargs wrote:
Yeah since there's no such thing as young republicans USA lol.

Such a heinous thing could not possible exist outside of Europe, never mind in the US of A!

2012-04-19 18:47:44

#1041

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5512|London, England

Cybargs wrote:
Yeah since there's no such thing as young republicans USA lol.

And those groups are full of brainwashed War Men. It's pathetically sad.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2012-04-19 18:49:56

#1042

coke: Aye up duck!; +440|6863|England. Stoke

Jay wrote:
coke wrote:
Jay wrote:

I thought it was fairly obvious what I was talking about.
We were trying to give some credit, but obviously we shouldn't have bothered.
So you're ok with political parties throwing summer camps for future voters then. No big deal. Fine. Over here we try to keep our schools and other crap as separated from religion as we do from politics. Secularization and all that.

It has nothing to do with Schooling.
These young people are obviously interested in politics and contributing to their society as a whole, or even as a ulterior personal motivation of "getting ahead". Disgusting behaviour!!!

2012-04-19 18:51:28

#1043

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6624

Jay wrote:
coke wrote:
Jay wrote:

I thought it was fairly obvious what I was talking about.
We were trying to give some credit, but obviously we shouldn't have bothered.
So you're ok with political parties throwing summer camps for future voters then. No big deal. Fine. Over here we try to keep our schools and other crap as separated from religion as we do from politics. Secularization and all that.

laughing my ass off

jay america is the HOME of the religious/political summer camp. you guys are nuts for them.

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2012-04-19 18:51:44

#1044

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5512|London, England

Politics and children do not mix. Why is this such a difficult point to get across? They become easily manipulated fanatics dangling on the strings of old men.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2012-04-19 18:51:52

#1045

coke: Aye up duck!; +440|6863|England. Stoke

Uzique wrote:
Jay wrote:
coke wrote:

We were trying to give some credit, but obviously we shouldn't have bothered.
So you're ok with political parties throwing summer camps for future voters then. No big deal. Fine. Over here we try to keep our schools and other crap as separated from religion as we do from politics. Secularization and all that.
laughing my ass off

jay america is the HOME of the religious/political summer camp. you guys are nuts for them.

QFT

2012-04-19 18:55:55

#1046

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6624

okay jay let's break this down for your magnificent intellect to digest:

a) they were not children. most of them were young adults. the few young people were in their mid-teens. they are not being indoctrinated as 6-7 year old hitler jugend. you don't know what you're talking about here.

b) it's a summer camp for goody two-shoes kids. middle-class kids that want to do something productive with their summer. a civics camp. encouraging citizenship. they're not all there chanting the party slogan and worshipping portraits of the current prime minister. they are there to do community work and to generally take part in their wider community and feel belonging, integration, compassion for their citizens. it is a positive and good thing, no matter which way you look at it. also of course it's great for the resumes of any young kids that are intending to have a career in politics or journalism or any public office. it's a way of 'taking part'. it's not some socialist dogma camp.

c) you are wrong. please go do some reading before you spout your mouth. it's horrifically insensitive considering you are talking about 77 dead kids here who were just trying to do something positive and community-minded with their summer vacation.

Last edited by Uzique (2012-04-19 18:56:12)

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2012-04-19 18:56:38

#1047

coke: Aye up duck!; +440|6863|England. Stoke

Jay wrote:
Politics and children do not mix. Why is this such a difficult point to get across? They become easily manipulated fanatics dangling on the strings of old men.

Most of them are in their mid to late teens/early 20's. Hardly children, by that age I definitely had formed the basis of my political opinions, although I have never been overly interested in politics and nor has my family. Undoubtedly some of them will have been "pushed" into it by their parents, but I'm willing to bet that a fair proportion of them will have been their on their own initiative due to their own interest and passion for politics, and a desire and believe they can make a difference. Stop being so bitter...

2012-04-19 19:01:41

#1048

Doctor Strangelove: Real Battlefield Veterinarian.; +1,758|6622

Stop Islam, kill white people!

2012-04-19 19:11:37

#1049

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5739

Jay wrote:
Uzique wrote:
Jay wrote:
I don't know of any political party that actively tries to recruit teenagers. I despise indoctrination of all sorts be it political, religious or whatever. I just happen to despise politicians more than anything else on this planet.
i just linked to a scheme where the tea party are doing it. libertarians. rand fans. john galts.

pretty stupid of you to berate another country for doing it when it's happening on your doorstep.

pretty sickening to link it in any way to a massacre.
Florida might as well be Norway for all it impacts me. You Euros really don't get how state and geographic region-centric we are here. Florida != New York.

Florida is the most like the North east place in the south. Especially in the Tampa and Miami areas.

2012-04-19 19:18:29

#1050

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6624

the summer camp is being organised and run by glenn beck, no? he lives in the north east and ny area, no?

i'm guessing it's in florida because it's a 'summer' camp. the tea-party is hardly an alien force in the north-east, is it?

although that was a shit excuse in the first place. following up an even shitter argument.

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