BF2S Forums 77 Dead in Norway shooting.

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Jaekus wrote:

I love it when religious people start banging on about god as if they actually know what he/she/it thinks/feels.

It's not like he left us a book with specific guidelines to follow and where he expresses his feelings on pretty much every subject.

Dilbert_X wrote:

If I were omniscient I'd be pretty disturbed by all the things that go on.

To prepare for the attack, Breivik said, he took an entire year off to play World of Warcraft, a multi-player role-playing game with more than 10 million subscribers, and also Modern Warfare, a first-person shooting game.

"I don't really like those games but it is good if you want to simulate for training purposes," Breivik said as he discussed Modern Warfare, smiling when asked about the aiming system.

Breivik, who played Modern Warfare 17 hours straight on New Year's Eve 2010/2011, said he used such games to simulate the police response and the best escape strategy. He withdrew from friends, saying his mission outweighed personal relationships.

In 2006, he moved in with his mother to save money and rarely interrupted his game of World of Warcraft, even though his mother became anxious.

"During that year I played perhaps 16 hours a day. It was a lot. Only playing for an entire year -- playing and sleeping, playing and sleeping....It was a dream I had, and I wanted to do this."

Thomas Hylland Eriksen, a professor of social anthropology at the University of Oslo, said such computer games could put Breivik in a state of delusion.

"He does not seem to be very successful at distinguishing between the virtual reality of world of Warcraft and other computer games and reality," Eriksen told Reuters away from the court proceedings.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-04-19/breivik-wanted-to-kill-everybody-on-utoya/3961532 wrote:

Breivik wanted to 'kill everybody' on Utoya

The gunman behind Norway's massacres has told an Oslo court he meant to kill far more than 69 people on Utoya island, and originally planned to detonate three car bombs.

Anders Behring Breivik killed a total of 77 people in a shooting and bombing rampage last July.

"The goal was to kill everybody," the 33-year-old right-wing extremist told the court.

He added that he had first planned to capture former prime minister Gro Harlem Brundtland and behead her on camera, before posting the video online.

"I stand for Utoya and what I did, and would still do it again," he said, as survivors and victims' family members cried quietly and shook their heads in disgust.

Breivik is on trial for "acts of terror" for his July 22 twin attacks, when he killed eight people with a van-bomb targeting buildings housing the offices of Labour prime minister Jens Stoltenberg, who was not present at the time.

He then travelled to Utoya island where, dressed as a police officer, for more than one hour he methodically shot at hundreds of people at a Labour Party youth summer camp, taking 69 lives, mostly teenagers.

There were 569 people on the island the day of the attacks, according to police.

But on the fourth day of his trial Breivik insisted he was "not a child murderer", stressing he had thought there was a 16-year age limit to attend the camp and that he thought it was not "desirable" to kill anyone under the age of 18.

He also stressed that "there were no better political targets in Norway that day," and reiterated that most of the people he had killed had "leading positions" within the youth group, which to him made them "category B" traitors.

Videogame training

Earlier he told the court he had also planned to bomb the Labour Party headquarters and Norway's Royal Palace.

But he said building the first bomb was more difficult than he anticipated.

He instead turned his mind to a shooting attack, and spent a year playing the online computer game World of Warcraft, and also played Call of Duty to hone his strategies for what he believed would be a suicide mission.

"Some people dream about sailing around the world, some dream of playing golf. I dreamt of playing World of Warcraft," he told the court.

He insisted the game was a social, not very violent strategy game, which was "pure entertainment [and] has nothing to do with July 22".

Breivik also mentioned another game called Call of Duty: Modern Warfare, which he said he had used as actual training for the shooting spree.

"It is a war simulator. It gives you an impression of how target systems work," he explained, adding he used it to practice "shooting other people".

"The plan was to not surrender before the whole plan had been carried out," he told the court.

"It was a suicide mission where the probability of survival was equal to zero."

'Against human nature'

He also testified he had named his murder weapons after terms from Norse mythology, calling his rifle "Gungnir" after Odin's magical spear and his Glock pistol "Mjoelner" after Thor's hammer.

When asked what it was like to go on the shooting rampage, Breivik acknowledged it was "extremely difficult to do".

"It goes against human nature in many ways," he said.

Calm and more cooperative than Wednesday - when he refused to answer questions about a network of far-right militants he claims to be part of called the Knights Templar - Breivik smiled several times while discussing target shooting techniques.

When confronted about his smiles by prosecutor Svein Holden, he acknowledged the survivors and victims' families watching were probably reacting "in a natural way, with horror and disgust".

At the start of the day, the defendant refrained from making his habitual far-right salute - touching his chest and extending his clenched right fist in front of him - after objections from survivors and families.

Breivik entered a plea of not guilty at the start of his trial, saying his actions were "cruel but necessary".

The gunman has told the court he wants to be executed or acquitted, deriding Norway's maximum 21-year prison sentence as "pathetic".

Breivik will only get prison if the court deems him sane - something he is fighting for so as not to delegitimise his Islamophobic and anti-multicultural ideology.

While the sentence then would be the maximum 21 years, it could be extended indefinitely if he was still considered a threat to society.

If found insane he could be sentenced to closed psychiatric care, possibly for life.

Breivik's testimony is set down for three more days.

Jay wrote:

I think the real takeaway from this is how disgusting it is to politically brainwash kids at such a young age. The camp should not have existed in the first place.

Jay wrote:

Uzique wrote:

the youngest person killed in this massacre was, what? 14-15? "brainwashing"? hardly. these are proactive people with a high sense of civic pride and citizenship. they wanted to take part in voluntary summer camps to perhaps boost their own interest in politics/public service and to have fun with other driven, positive young people. "brainwashing"? i don't really see where brainwashing comes into it. the only other person that views the summer camp as a brainwashing exercise is... breivik himself. keeping some good company there, mr. super-intellectual jay.

compared to the hundreds of schools, camps and weekend activities hosted in america in the name of political partisanship or religious instruction... i'd say you have a fairly gargantuan issue to deal with in your home country, before you start implying that 77 innocent teenagers were somehow 'guilty' or 'in the wrong' just for being at a summer camp. you idiot.

I'm not saying the kids were guilty at all. That wasn't the intent of my post. I'm just saying that if anything remotely positive comes out of this event it should be these Norwegian indoctrination camps being placed in the international spotlight and them saying 'hey, maybe these aren't such a great idea after all'. I don't blame the kids, I blame the politicians setting the bullshit up in the first place.

Jay wrote:

Uzique wrote:

the youngest person killed in this massacre was, what? 14-15? "brainwashing"? hardly. these are proactive people with a high sense of civic pride and citizenship. they wanted to take part in voluntary summer camps to perhaps boost their own interest in politics/public service and to have fun with other driven, positive young people. "brainwashing"? i don't really see where brainwashing comes into it. the only other person that views the summer camp as a brainwashing exercise is... breivik himself. keeping some good company there, mr. super-intellectual jay.

compared to the hundreds of schools, camps and weekend activities hosted in america in the name of political partisanship or religious instruction... i'd say you have a fairly gargantuan issue to deal with in your home country, before you start implying that 77 innocent teenagers were somehow 'guilty' or 'in the wrong' just for being at a summer camp. you idiot.

I'm not saying the kids were guilty at all. That wasn't the intent of my post. I'm just saying that if anything remotely positive comes out of this event it should be these Norwegian indoctrination camps being placed in the international spotlight and them saying 'hey, maybe these aren't such a great idea after all'. I don't blame the kids, I blame the politicians setting the bullshit up in the first place.

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eleven bravo wrote:

she was wearing a short skirt, she was just asking to get gangraped