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2012-04-17 21:10:26

#5851

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6470

specops10-4 wrote:
Uzique wrote:
i've made my opinion clear to my cousin, whenever he has asked for it. i'm not going to go and berate his life choice because it's not a polite thing to do to anyone, face-to-face. but when it has come up in conversation, we have both made it mutually clear to one another that if he applied himself better in school, he now wouldn't be looking at armed service. why do you think i should have some hushed reverence for military men? i literally have zero respect for military men. why do you have such great respect for them? sewer cleaners do a tough job too. do you salute them whenever they walk by?
Its not polite to do it face-face but eh whatever I'll just talk shit behind his back, way more respectful.

I have more respect for sewer cleaners than the kids who just squeeked by college and became accountants at some bland office in a cubicle. But a sewer cleaner doesn't risk his life, he won't witness his friends die, or have to kill people just because he was ordered to. A lot more goes into being a soldier than a sewer worker while both have a role in society.

a lot more emotionally goes into being a soldier, sure, but i don't respect them for being one in the first place. they are not serving any high purpose. they're doing the job because it's a paycheque and they didn't have many other options (except maybe being a sewercleaner).

and did you not read my posts? i've already said i've made my views clear to him. nothing disrespectful going on, here.

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2012-04-17 21:11:01

#5852

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6470

Jay wrote:
Uzique wrote:
who automatically feel entitled to some sort of respect because they had a tough tour and experienced hell on earth.

sorry fella, no dice
That's fine. For the rest of my life I'll know that I'm not a coward. You however... well you dress like a girl anyway so whatever.

perhaps not a coward, but how do you live with yourself being a blatant hypocrite? we all see your inner contortions and projected angst here every day...

and yes, my dress sense really makes me a coward. or even matters. carry on fatty, i'm sure you're one to be giving sartorial critiques.

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2012-04-17 21:22:09

#5853

specops10-4: Member; +108|6742|In the hills

Uzique wrote:
specops10-4 wrote:
Uzique wrote:
i've made my opinion clear to my cousin, whenever he has asked for it. i'm not going to go and berate his life choice because it's not a polite thing to do to anyone, face-to-face. but when it has come up in conversation, we have both made it mutually clear to one another that if he applied himself better in school, he now wouldn't be looking at armed service. why do you think i should have some hushed reverence for military men? i literally have zero respect for military men. why do you have such great respect for them? sewer cleaners do a tough job too. do you salute them whenever they walk by?
Its not polite to do it face-face but eh whatever I'll just talk shit behind his back, way more respectful.

I have more respect for sewer cleaners than the kids who just squeeked by college and became accountants at some bland office in a cubicle. But a sewer cleaner doesn't risk his life, he won't witness his friends die, or have to kill people just because he was ordered to. A lot more goes into being a soldier than a sewer worker while both have a role in society.
a lot more emotionally goes into being a soldier, sure, but i don't respect them for being one in the first place. they are not serving any high purpose. they're doing the job because it's a paycheque and they didn't have many other options (except maybe being a sewercleaner).

and did you not read my posts? i've already said i've made my views clear to him. nothing disrespectful going on, here.

Did you say to him that soldiers don't deserve any respect, fuck the leeches to society that think they are entitled to everything, etc?

Soldiers are far from perfect individuals, and so is everybody else, but some have gone through things you can't even imagine and are mentally and physically scarred. At least give them the respect you would give yourself.

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2012-04-17 21:28:16

#5854

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6470

the whole family has told him he could have made something of himself, rather than joining the military. he could have gone to university and then entered sandhurst (officer's school) if he wanted to join the military tradition at all. so yes, it has all been said. of course i haven't ranted to him about soldiers feeling entitled, because he hasn't displayed that sentiment to me. it's people here displaying that sentiment. it would be a little rude to berate him for something he hasn't said, no? are we now supposed to discuss things on this forum only that we have verified and said away from keyboard? i'm quite sure a lot of people have debated and declared views on here that they would be less comfortable ranting about in a busy bar in denver on a saturday night. so what? make a fucking point.

i have said nothing about not giving soldiers respect as individuals. i give janitors respect as individuals. i give everyone respect as individuals - who cares about their job? it seems you are confusing two things, here: you are conflating the idea of respect for a profession and respect for a person. i don't judge someone by the job they do, nor do i base my opinion of them from their job. i don't hate my cousin, ffs. my point was that i don't respect soldiers for their chosen jobs; i won't give them a salute for going to fight in iraq, because i don't think their career path really deserves much respect nowadays. they're not joining to go and defend the homeland - they're joining to go make a good, steady wage, get into a career-path, and enjoy the benefits that public service brings (e.g. pension, college grants, etc.) i don't respect soldiers for simply being soldiers. as individuals, well i judge them on their individual merits. in the case of ex-soldiers like jay, i think he's a huge intellectual fraud, who clearly doesn't really respect himself. he took all the public-money benefits of being a soldier and then ran with it and became a faux, posturing libertarian and rand fan. that's just total self-blindness, really.

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2012-04-17 21:47:07

#5855

specops10-4: Member; +108|6742|In the hills

If you give them respect as individuals why do you seem to hate them as a whole? Yeah I don't really respect someone just for joining the military, but once they have gone through the rigors of training and combat, proving themselves as competent individuals then they deserve respect. Thats how the military itself works, the goobers that fuck up stay as low ranking individuals or are discharged and command less respect than those who have actually proven themselves. I think we mostly agree in this topic except you seem to have more resentment towards the military as an organization than I do.

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2012-04-17 21:54:07

#5856

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6470

i don't "hate" them as a whole. if you read my comments i'll just say i don't respect soldiering as a profession. it doesn't strike me thesedays, in modern war and modern militaries, as being anything really worth much more professional respect than any other low-entry requirement career path. it doesn't strike me as being exceptional, or heroic, or valorous. it's just a job, that's all. my resentment for the military only comes in the case of military guys somehow demanding special respect or treatment - they're not ww2 veterans, they didn't save our country or anything. it just aggravates me when some grunt will pack-off for a tour of afghan to get away from being unemployed on benefits in the UK, and will come back expecting some sort of automatic respect. it just doesn't really work for me. my feelings on the military as a whole institution/organization is that, in today's tough economic and relatively safe times, we could probably spend a lot less on the war-machine and a lot more on improving our homeland affairs. i'm not so naive as to say i'm categorically anti-war, but i do think that a disproportionate amount of tax money goes towards paying the military salaries of our terminally uneducated and unskilled, and not towards genuinely productive reforms and improvements.

i hope that clears things up a bit.

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2012-04-17 22:24:21

#5857

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6716

no military no internet.

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2012-04-17 22:54:49

#5858

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6470

yeah that's a great justification for spending billions a year to fight wars in foreign countries in 2012.

and a great reason to respect 19 year old army-entrants today, as well.

cybargs in all complete seriousness i'd say 90% of your posts here are embarrassing.

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2012-04-17 22:56:17

#5859

Miggle: FUCK UBISOFT; +1,411|6741|FUCK UBISOFT

not the one where he ran over a little girl. without that post I would have no respect for cybargs

2012-04-17 23:03:47

#5860

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6470

lmao. for cybargs it's also a case of 'no australian military, no career path'. so maybe he's a little sensitive.

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2012-04-17 23:06:56

#5861

Miggle: FUCK UBISOFT; +1,411|6741|FUCK UBISOFT

isnt he tywani?

2012-04-17 23:08:05

#5862

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6470

he's also half ashkenazi-jewish

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2012-04-17 23:09:27

#5863

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6716

so much anger in you uzique.

2012-04-17 23:10:01

#5864

Miggle: FUCK UBISOFT; +1,411|6741|FUCK UBISOFT

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2012-04-17 23:15:57

#5865

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6470

Cybargs wrote:
so much anger in you uzique.

anger over what? i just laid out a reasoned explanation for why i don't respect entry-level grunts and the wider stance i have on military budgets / tax expenditure. you come back with some random comment about the invention of the internet. how bizarre.

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2012-04-18 03:01:52

#5866

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,810|6105|eXtreme to the maX

Uzique wrote:
Dilbert_X wrote:
Uzique wrote:
it's annoying when Brunel University associates itself in any way with London because Brunel is a shit university and not part of the UoL

the guy has no credibility
Its about as annoying as Royal Holloway claiming to be part of UL, check a map idiots.
except we've been a part of the UoL since like 1900, and have the academic strength to merit the name-tag

brunel and other non-UoL unis will constantly in their brochures and sites use 'london' as an advertisement, clearly playing off the suggestiveness of the UoL's strengths. it's a weird sycophantic relationship they have. they actually get loads of students who sign-up mistakenly thinking they convey some of the prestige of UoL. just look at brunel, kingston, metropolitan... for easy examples.

Where are Brunel claiming to be in UL?

nice try though dumbert. it's pretty funny we shared the same university for a while.

Not hardly, since you were in Egham.

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2012-04-18 08:55:02

#5867

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6470

christ you are dumb. we were both in the same federal university. is that so hard to understand? i'm not suggesting we shared a dorm room. mong.

and my point is that universities like brunel in their literature very often play up on the 'university in london' thing because they try to associate themselves with the university OF london. trust me i've read enough news articles about non-UoL unis to know what they do. there's a common misperception here that the aforementioned unis are colleges in the UoL. they rely on a lot of ambiguity in their press releases and stuff to try and raise their status through connotation/association. of course you'll argue this point tirelessly for no reason whatsoever, having not lived in the UK for a decade and having not read a single university prospectus/press pack for the same amount of time

just. let. it. go. old. man.

edit, just for e.g., look at the site-header for brunel university: http://www.brunel.ac.uk/

don't you think that's a little bit misleading? considering the suffix for all proper UoL colleges is '..., University of London'? i just think it's funny. they all do it.

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2012-04-18 10:01:36

#5868

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6716

so much anger

2012-04-18 10:06:49

#5869

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6470

where are you getting this anger stuff from? dilbert enjoys testing people's patience. but anger? i don't know how often you get angry cybargs (probably a lot if your road-kill murder record is anything to go by) but i don't get angry very often, at all. much less at obstinate or obdurate people on the internet. keep on posting like it's reddit though, "u mad u mad", because it really boosts people's perceptions of you as an intelligent and thoughtful contributor to the forum.

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2012-04-18 10:20:08

#5870

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6716

why cant we just get along

2012-04-18 10:35:31

#5871

War Man: Australians are hermaphrodites.; +563|6713|Purplicious Wisconsin

13urnzz wrote:
specops10-4 wrote:
This forum has a mental disorder.
you've been here, 2 thousand 350 days. you've just noticed that.

i'd say that's par for the course . . .

More like an old time user just returning.

The irony of guns, is that they can save lives.

2012-04-18 10:36:02

#5872

War Man: Australians are hermaphrodites.; +563|6713|Purplicious Wisconsin

Cybargs wrote:
why cant we just get along

Because people like Uzique have little tolerance for other people's opinions.

The irony of guns, is that they can save lives.

2012-04-18 10:47:56

#5873

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War Man wrote:
Cybargs wrote:
why cant we just get along
Because people like Uzique have little tolerance for other people's opinions.

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2012-04-18 10:50:45

#5874

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6470

War Man wrote:
Cybargs wrote:
why cant we just get along
Because people like Uzique have little tolerance for other people's opinions.

lmao i hope you are kidding. give me a reasoned, intelligent opinion and i'll be more than happy with that. i deal with such opinions all day, every day. in my studies and in my personal life. so long as it is well thought-out, of course you are entitled to an opinion. the major difference here, war man - especially with you - is that the opinions are rarely ever thought-out. hence they are risible and open to question. just because you have an opinion it doesn't mean it is enshrined on this untouchable throne - "it is an opinion and hence it is unquestionable!". that's just cant.

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2012-04-18 11:49:34

#5875

Ilocano: buuuurrrrrrppppp.......; +341|6667

It's one thing to challenge an opinion, but another to name call the one giving the opinion. Surely your debate sessions have taught you that. Or do you regularly call your instructors mongs if you question their opinions or source of opinions?

Keep it civil. Surely an "intellectual" can hold the line.

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