Tweedle Dee vs Obama, then?
4 more years
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lol nice 1300th karma
You may not karma the same person in a 24 hour period.Superior Mind wrote:
lol nice 1300th karma
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I've gotten that message like 5 or 6 times today.
"A second court-ordered mental evaluation of Anders Behring Breivik, the 32-year-old right-wing Norwegian who confessed to killing 77 people in two separate terror strikes in July, has concluded that he was sane while carrying out the massacre, the court hearing his case said Tuesday." - RTT News
Really?
I've always wondered what standard of "sane" allows for the deliberate, intentional, personal murder of 77 strangers.
No, obviously the piece of shit is completely out of his fucking head!
Otherwise he wouldn't have murdered 77 people for no goddamned reason.
Really?
I've always wondered what standard of "sane" allows for the deliberate, intentional, personal murder of 77 strangers.
No, obviously the piece of shit is completely out of his fucking head!
Otherwise he wouldn't have murdered 77 people for no goddamned reason.
The fact that it was deliberate and intentional means he was sane. For someone to be declared "unsane" they must be mentally unable to comprehend their own actions. As Breivik wrote a massive manifesto about why he was going to shoot up a bunch of white kids, he obviously was mentally aware enough to be declared sane. Quite frankly I didn't understand why he wasn't declared sane in the first place.rdx-fx wrote:
"A second court-ordered mental evaluation of Anders Behring Breivik, the 32-year-old right-wing Norwegian who confessed to killing 77 people in two separate terror strikes in July, has concluded that he was sane while carrying out the massacre, the court hearing his case said Tuesday." - RTT News
Really?
I've always wondered what standard of "sane" allows for the deliberate, intentional, personal murder of 77 strangers.
No, obviously the piece of shit is completely out of his fucking head!
Otherwise he wouldn't have murdered 77 people for no goddamned reason.
Not every schizophrenic is a drooling idiot bouncing off the walls. His actions, the reason he did them, and his book all smell of paranoid schizophrenia.
he is completely delusional and paranoiac, yes. but i think in the eyes of the law it was the level of pre-emption and malice aforethought that ruled him out of traditional 'insanity' defenses. he put way too much planning and carried out his plan with ruthless, cool-headed precision. in that sense, even though his motivations were obviously batshit insane, his actions themselves were not committed out of insanity, per se.
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This, essentially. It wasn't a psychotic act. He's severely antisocial and narcissistic, yes, but it was not a result of a mental breakdown.Uzique wrote:
his actions themselves were not committed out of insanity, per se.
It's a bit... wrong to assume that people with ideas different to ours or don't fit our idea of 'normal' are 'insane'. He has his idea, his plan, his reasons, and executed it.
That is, if we are to trust the judgement of these psychiatrists. The last group concluded that he was a paranoid schizophrenic, remember.
insanity in law literally means something obscuring reasonable thinking and understanding of what you are doing at the moment of the crime, i.e. a mental condition or episode that means you totally lose your shit and have literally no idea what you are doing. whether or not his crimes were borne out of a completely twisted worldview and sociopathic/psychopathic problem, the decisive fact here is that his 'condition' (of which he certainly has one, as far as textbook pathologies go - i mean nobody would deny this guy a counselling session if he requested one, pre-crime) didn't impair his judgement at the moment of committing the crime. they were essentially calculated, cold-blooded murders, every single one of them. he wasn't delirious or suffering a schizoid episode or having delusions of godly grandeur at the time - he planned them far in advance, he detonated the bomb, he killed the kids. of course someone has to have something hugely wrong with them to want to do such a thing... but it did not impair his actual judgement and actions. this condemns him.
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I think you guys have a very narrow view of a what a schizophrenic episode is like.
i know a schizophrenic. pretty cool dude. has to take medication
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no, i've studied law, and i think you have a pretty wrong view of what constitutes 'insanity' in a legal case. i'm not trying to make any comment on schizophrenia as a psychopatholoy or mental illness. it's clearly not in the interest or scope of his legal trial. if he has a mental illness, okay, but the operative factor here is that he has no illness that affected his judgement at the moment of the crime. there is no evidence to suggest he was having a sustained episode. the guy pretended he was a police-officer and marshalled people into an area, and then shot them. that shows an extreme amount of self-awareness, social manipulation, and cunning. to be literally in-sane in a legal case means you simply cannot display this sort of reasoned, altogether-sane pre-meditation and merciless behaviour.
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not really relevant though, so long as he knew what he was doing.Macbeth wrote:
Not every schizophrenic is a drooling idiot bouncing off the walls. His actions, the reason he did them, and his book all smell of paranoid schizophrenia.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
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His 'cold rational actions' were all done while in a schizophrenic episode. His actions may seem self aware and thought out but they were all the result of a break with reality. That's why I am saying you guys have a narrow view of a psychological episode. You can act in a 'rational' manner despite being completely removed from reality.
Mac hs said in the past he is a little schizophrenic and takes meds for it. Hence his reaction in defense of you guys blanketing all sufferers as mental patients.
that doesn't matter from a legal pov though, which is the point - under the law, he was sane.Macbeth wrote:
His 'cold rational actions' were all done while in a schizophrenic episode. His actions may seem self aware and thought out but they were all the result of a break with reality. That's why I am saying you guys have a narrow view of a psychological episode. You can act in a 'rational' manner despite being completely removed from reality.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
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its the legal definition. thats why only 3% of insanity defenses ever work. or something like thatMacbeth wrote:
His 'cold rational actions' were all done while in a schizophrenic episode. His actions may seem self aware and thought out but they were all the result of a break with reality. That's why I am saying you guys have a narrow view of a psychological episode. You can act in a 'rational' manner despite being completely removed from reality.
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yet again macbeth isn't listening to people with legal educations because oh-he's-been-in-a-psych ward.
we're not debating whether or not the guy is nuts. he's nuts alright. but he could think rationally and clearly enough during his episode to condemn him.
we're not debating whether or not the guy is nuts. he's nuts alright. but he could think rationally and clearly enough during his episode to condemn him.
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Eh?eleven bravo wrote:
its the legal definition. thats why only 3% of insanity defenses ever work. or something like thatMacbeth wrote:
His 'cold rational actions' were all done while in a schizophrenic episode. His actions may seem self aware and thought out but they were all the result of a break with reality. That's why I am saying you guys have a narrow view of a psychological episode. You can act in a 'rational' manner despite being completely removed from reality.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insanity_D … ct_of_1984
Apparently under the older pre Reagan laws he would be insane. At least here in the U.S.
I don't know Norway's law and I doubt many people here are experts on Norwegian law..
even i don't have a legal education and it seems pretty obvious to meUzique wrote:
yet again macbeth isn't listening to people with legal educations because oh-he's-been-in-a-psych ward.
we're not debating whether or not the guy is nuts. he's nuts alright. but he could think rationally and clearly enough during his episode to condemn him.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
A few prelaw classes count as a legal education and cover the entire span of criminal and civil law.Uzique wrote:
yet again macbeth isn't listening to people with legal educations because oh-he's-been-in-a-psych ward.
my degee says prelaw
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