Jay
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Macbeth wrote:

Jenspm wrote:

Jay wrote:


Says the guy forcing the taxpayers of his home country to pay the international student rate so he can play pranks in Scotland. People like you are precisely the reason I don't want public education. You are a complete waste of my money.
My country does not pay the international student rate. It pays £4k pr year. .
Jay knows how that is. He did abuse a government program designed for the poor after all. He got $6k out of it.
I was poor at the time. I abused nothing.
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Uzique
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but you just said you were hanging out with the movers and shakers at 14. a poor kid hanging out with rich people all the time? sounds like serious status anxiety to me.
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Jenspm
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Nah, just dressing for the job he wants.
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Jay wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

Jenspm wrote:

My country does not pay the international student rate. It pays £4k pr year. .
Jay knows how that is. He did abuse a government program designed for the poor after all. He got $6k out of it.
I was poor at the time. I abused nothing.
You were living with your wealthy girlfriend at the time were you not? You also bought and wrecked a bike after you got back from Iraq.

Having a wealthy girlfriend pay the bills and buying yourself toys doesn't sound like poverty.

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Jay
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This needs to be gotten into again. Good job Macbeth, way to get your own topic closed again.
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Oh great Jay is reporting me again.
Uzique
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what's the point reporting the thread to be closed, jay? some uncomfortable truths? i've debated a lot of education stuff with you, asides from the personal debate that you keep implicating yourself in. why don't you reply to my posts about education? like for example how me entering academia will fundamentally 'deprive' my children? or how i'm being selfish by going into a career that contributes to public, human knowledge? rather than solely lining my own personal bank account? these are large questions that remain unanswered by you. a long digressive anecdote about some piece of shit brother-in-law you have does not satisfy them.
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Jay
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Macbeth wrote:

Jay wrote:

Macbeth wrote:


Jay knows how that is. He did abuse a government program designed for the poor after all. He got $6k out of it.
I was poor at the time. I abused nothing.
You were living with your wealthy girlfriend at the time were you not? You also bought and wrecked bike after you got back from Iraq.

Having a wealthy girlfriend pay the bills and buying yourself toys doesn't sound like poverty.
My wealthy girlfriend? She makes good money, but hardly wealthy. We split the bills down the middle.

And my motorcycle that I paid cash for after saving for an entire year while I was deployed serving in the military of your homeland? Yeah, that makes me wealthy.

Seriously fucking bored now.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Uzique
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i think anyone that serially reports threads/posts in d&st should have their posting privileges revoked from this section. it's the lowest, basest form of argumentation: can't take the debate, report the thread and get it closed. wow. it really is like the last rhetorical manouevre in a desperate man's toolkit. anybody that does that lame shit often should not be allowed to even spark debates here in the first place. such a lame cop-out. i have never once reported any post in d&st, and as the resident representative of the arts+humanities in a section full of megalomaniac scientists, i've had to patiently put up with and reasonably-counter a whole lot of serious bullshit.
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Jay
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Thread has devolved into everyone attacking me on a personal level. Why should it stay open?
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She made 'good money' right? Did you file your taxes jointly or did the IRS not know the person you were living with made 'good money'?

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Jay has become lowing
Jay
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Why would the IRS know that? We weren't married at the time. Her income was her own, not mine.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Jay
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If I had a male roommate and we split the bills equally, would that be different to you? You're really taking this to the extreme to try to prove you're right, except you're not.
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Jay wrote:

Why would the IRS know that? We weren't married at the time. Her income was her own, not mine.
So you were living with someone who had an income that put you above the poverty line and disqualifed you from the Pell grant system.

That is abusing the system.
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Jay wrote:

If I had a male roommate and we split the bills equally, would that be different to you? You're really taking this to the extreme to try to prove you're right, except you're not.
That is like claiming a man and wife are just roommates. Come on.
Jay
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Macbeth wrote:

Jay wrote:

If I had a male roommate and we split the bills equally, would that be different to you? You're really taking this to the extreme to try to prove you're right, except you're not.
That is like claiming a man and wife are just roommates. Come on.
Umm, in the eyes of the law we were just roommates, yes. We had no legal ties to each other. We still have no legal ties to each other. In two months we'll share income, but up until now hers has been hers and mine has been mine. I don't know why this is so difficult for you to understand. There's no abuse whatsoever. I was spending more than half my income every month on rent and utilities.
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-Frederick Bastiat
Uzique
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Jay wrote:

Thread has devolved into everyone attacking me on a personal level. Why should it stay open?
do you suffer short-term memory loss? go back a few pages. i think you'll find it was you that bizarrely started insinuating that all my professors are "lazy" people, and that i am "selfish" and a piece of shit, in as many words. all i've done in this thread is defend, objectively, the principle of education and high-level research. you started a long tangential discussion about class, discussing why i'm a bad person and you're a great one, at some length. not to mention, again, the bizarre implication that professors are "lazy" people, which somehow makes the funding of higher-education risible. you are a shit debater, jay.
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Jay
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I mean, if you really want to pursue this, show me the statute that says that people are supposed to file joint income taxes as soon as they become roommates, or as soon as they start 'dating seriously'. So absurd.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Jenspm
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Jay wrote:

Seriously fucking bored now.
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I'd recommend a restructuring of your use of leisure time, your current system clearly isn't maximising happiness.

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Uzique wrote:

well then what's your point? all disciplines have esoteric and far out stuff that gives no immediate payback - right. the idea is that research and academia progresses laterally, in a protean mass, in all directions, with no specific logic. academia and intellectual research is not a logical process of ever-advancing progress. you're asking the wrong things of it. a far-out science PhD in high-level astrophysics today which is by all means 'useless' may shed some light or lead the way to a technological breakthrough in 200 years. science makes leaps and bounds like this all the time. similarly the research done in arts/humanities may shape our view of the past or our understanding of the present in multiplicand indefinable ways in the future. you just cannot say. and yes, funding bodies do have arbitrary and rather difficult means of distinguishing between "what benefits the collective and what doesn't". remember, over here 95% of funding applications get turned down because they do not supposedly satisfy this tricky and elusive requirement.

although, of course, the implication is that everybody in every subject that has received funding and is doing high-level research has had it deemed 'worthy' by the govt. or the people with the money to hand out. which is what i am fully behind, principally: all subjects being deserving of funding, even in tough times. jay and dilbert and co. are effectively trying to say that some subjects are no longer worthy of funding, and/or that the funding body is wrong to grant research money to history or english researchers. this i fundamentally disagree with.
It's that, ultimately, were budget constraints to demand it, I can accept the closing of funding for certain research while retaining that of others. I do rank them in terms of importance. Would I accept the cutting of funding for an entire field of study? Absolutely not. I can agree principally that every subject is deserving of funding, given that its existence is motivated and its benefits evident - in this, some have more than others. Thus, some are deserving of more funding than others.
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If you want to be technical about it sure. But in reality your relationship went beyond just being roommates. Your fiancee and you were not just sharing a place to live. You were a tiny step away from being married. The only difference between you and a married couple was a piece of paper. Otherwise your living arrangements were in a way that didn't make you poor.


You abused a government program.
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