Design a new college system

2012-04-09 07:02:55

#326

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6689

Dilbert_X wrote:
Uzique wrote:
Dilbert_X wrote:

Don't put a history graduate in as chancellor of the exchequer next time.

Britain is proper fucked, and would be without the GFC.
right. the economy worsened under gordon brown because he spent his time from age 17-21 getting a history degree. that's it. why did none of the newspapers or books or government reports notice this key fact in their analysis?!?!?
I think it was more that he didn't have a clue about simple economics.

i.e. totally unrelated to his history degree, then? ah, i understand. guess you didn't need to make your post.

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2012-04-09 07:04:51

#327

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,813|6325|eXtreme to the maX

There's no funding for anything, Britain can't pay the interest on its debts, bad luck.

Fuck Israel

2012-04-09 07:06:34

#328

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,813|6325|eXtreme to the maX

Uzique wrote:
Dilbert_X wrote:
Uzique wrote:

right. the economy worsened under gordon brown because he spent his time from age 17-21 getting a history degree. that's it. why did none of the newspapers or books or government reports notice this key fact in their analysis?!?!?
I think it was more that he didn't have a clue about simple economics.
i.e. totally unrelated to his history degree, then? ah, i understand. guess you didn't need to make your post.

Maybe putting someone with an economics degree in the post would have made more sense yes?

Or just a potato - a potato would have done nothing and thus done a better job than the history graduate.

Fuck Israel

2012-04-09 07:09:50

#329

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6689

a potato currently does have the job

https://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Environment/Pix/columnists/2011/3/23/1300888307111/British-Chancellor-of-the-008.jpg

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2012-04-09 07:11:11

#330

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5577|London, England

Uzique wrote:
Cybargs wrote:
But Ilo, money shouldn't be an issue for anyone! Guvment should support pure acedemia yo
are you stupid? these seem to be the only type of posts you EVER make in d&st and they are normally 100% distilled retardation. it's almost impressive how you can concentrate so much dumb into one laconic phrase or sentence. but, alas, not a skill that is valued here. my point about government funding pure academia isn't some idealistic "everyone that wants to do a PhD should have money thrown at them", it's a "why is higher-education being gutted by cuts and damages incurred in the last 4-5 yrs by something that had nothing to do with universities"? i.e. why is an entire generation losing out their chance of entering academia - or contributing to academia - because of some macro-economic mess caused by the entirely and evidently non-academic types? it's just another one of those small societal disasters where everyone misses out on a good, fine thing because the shit has hit the fan. nowhere am i saying there should be an infinite pot of gold, nor am i saying that the government should place academic funding above everything else entirely. though i shouldn't really even have to make this point, should i? just your dumb-ass posts.

ilo that's nice and all but just cause you 'chose' to make the pursuit of endless wealth your life-goal, doesn't mean academia is a 'lesser' thing, or something that can be just-as-easily mastered as your knack for making dollars. really your life goal just sounds like the typical egotistic pursuit of a nouveau riche or arriviste, really. which is nice and all but in the uk we got tired of the nouveau riche about 100 years ago after the first and second industrial revolutions.

Your country had unsutainable debt levels even before the banking crisis. The cuts should've been made a decade ago.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2012-04-09 07:12:24

#331

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6689

so does america's education system - and still growing. you are also the only country enviably below us on the social mobility scale. so... criticism registered, sir.

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2012-04-09 07:20:29

#332

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5577|London, England

I'm not the one whinging about funding. You say that education should be last cut, ok what's first then? Health care? Road maintenance? Every government department thinks it is the most important to society as a whole. The difference here is that academics have access to young unformed minds to shape and do their arguing for them. Reading your posts, you're nothing but a shill for pompous overpaid lazy jackasses that would fail in the real world at the first exposure to competition. Academia is a luxury good, not a path to social mobility. Fucking laughable.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2012-04-09 07:21:27

#333

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6689

letting people get degrees doesn't help social mobility? oh i guess all those studies were wrong then. wait why did you get a degree? and how are my professors "lazy", exactly? looking at their resumes i'd say they've done and achieved more than 99% of people i know. prize-winning educations from oxford and cambridge, leading reputations worldwide in their own little niches. sure none of them are going to discover the secrets of the universe tomorrow or end world poverty, but if you're going to give your life to a pursuit and ambition - as everyone surely must someday - then i'd say they represent immense success at what they have chosen to do. "lazy"? is this some pog-college bias coming through again? i'm sorry your profs sucked and did everything they could to get out of work. i'm sorry.

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2012-04-09 07:25:03

#334

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5577|London, England

Because everyone has one now and it's become a requirement for entry. Even NYPD officers are required to have at least a two year degree. Lazy hr departments are to blame.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2012-04-09 07:31:47

#335

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6689

sorry, i can't see the part where you state how degrees don't help or improve social mobility. i'm also not sure how that makes my academics "lazy". i'd say they've achieved a lot more than you. does that make you extremely lazy?

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2012-04-09 07:37:04

#336

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5577|London, England

It's like arguing with a religious zealot. There's absolutely no point talking to you.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2012-04-09 07:38:31

#337

eleven bravo: Member; +1,399|5478|foggy bottom

jay, we could say the exact same thing about you

Tu Stultus Es

2012-04-09 07:39:36

#338

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6689

like there's any point talking to you when you are seriously trying to say that academics are "lazy"? how are they lazy? it's a ludicrously biased comment. even if i wasn't going into academia there is no way, from my 3-4 years at university, that i would say academics are "lazy". these people are at the top of their chosen field, which is a lot more than 99% of other working-people can say that just struggle along with everyday tedium and averageness (read: so far you are one of these people). you wade into the discussion and claim - against my defense of education for social mobility - that professors "lazy". then you call me a zealot! at least my discussion has some reasoning and some basis in actual objective reality, rather than the darkened world of your inner subjective anxiety.

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2012-04-09 07:48:26

#339

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6689

also saying they "fail to competition" in the "real world" is a little ironic, isn't it, considering that to even get into academia the odds of applicants-to-successful-funding is worse than 100:1. which makes law or city banking easy to get into, by comparison. people that get funded PhD's at oxford - 10 people out of a yearly application figure of 1500 - would "fail in real world competition"? how, exactly? sounds like they've just passed one of the most demanding job applications to me. but sure, the english profs at your mediocre pog college were lazy. that's unfortunate for you.

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2012-04-09 08:03:15

#340

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5577|London, England

for the last time, child, POG = People Other than Grunt. Non-infantry.

You really need to stop being so sensitive, because for the rest of your life you are going to hear the phrase "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach." Accept it or find a different line of work. You will not receive automatic respect from anyone except other academics. No one gives a fuck about or wants to listen to the whines of academics. There is nothing inherently special about them. You act like they all sit around doing research all day. No, they work 40 hours in a classroom teaching kids that care only enough to pass, spend hours outside the classroom grading half-assed papers and tests, and get a little research in on the side if they're feeling motivated. Or, once you actually become a hotshot, you have do a few lectures a week, dump all the real work on your TA's and then produce papers and books as often as you can so that you can stay out of the classroom.

Or you can get a non-academic job that pays well, stresses you less, and gives you more free time to study whatever it is you like. Then you get to do all the research and learning you want without someone breathing down your neck.

The secret to happiness in life is maximizing free time and balancing that with a job that pays enough that you don't have to worry about money. It really is that simple.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2012-04-09 08:05:01

#341

rdx-fx: ...; +955|6810

Jay wrote:
It's like arguing with a religious zealot. There's absolutely no point talking to you.

Jay, you are amongst the unclean heathens - you are not of the Brotherhood of the Ivory Tower.
Your accomplishments have been relegated to banal tedium and common toil.
It has been decreed by a High Priest of the Ivory Tower.

Accept your Judgement,
weep for your sad fate,
and do penance for your hubris.

Uzique wrote:
these people are at the top of their chosen field, which is a lot more than 99% of other working-people can say that just struggle along with everyday tedium and averageness

Ha!

Practical engineering has a separate set of challenges.
Designing new & novel systems, from a perfect theoretical standpoint can be challenging (and fun!).

Now, a proper challenge is designing a robust & reliable system around a limited budget, semi-skilled labor assembling the project, limited plant installation space, regulatory (EPA, etc) permitting limits, imprecise input materials, imperfect (or partially failed) subsystems, maintenance requirements, accessibility requirements, etc etc. (Nevermind the management of egos, meetings, and organizational bullshit involved in any substantial project)

Now, if you can maintain any semblance of the original (pure) theoretical design elegance, while accomplishing the practical engineering implementation, you're a damn good engineer. Top of your field even.
Any half-competent undergraduate can design a novel theoretical system - it takes real engineers to make it into a robust, working deliverable product.

Not to denigrate cutting edge academic theoreticians. The 'Ivory Towers' certainly have their share of the 'best and brightest', but academic theory isn't the only place the "top of their field" can be found.

Uzique wrote:
pog college

Unless you're attending a national military academy, I think they're ALL POG colleges. POG: Person Other than Grunt, i.e., non-infantry.
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2012-04-09 08:05:03

#342

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6689

academia is about research, teaching is a secondary part. how exactly else would one "do" if they wanted to further research in a given field? you really think academics are second-rate competition dropouts because they want to give their lives to researching a field, rather than working for a business? what an odd set of standards you abide by.

40 hours a week of teaching? really? over here our top-level academics teach for about 8-10 hours a week. the rest is fulltime research. and my point about a pog-college is that it's a military school for people leeching off the state, not a bastion of academic excellence.

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2012-04-09 08:05:54

#343

eleven bravo: Member; +1,399|5478|foggy bottom

youre all a bunch of pogs

Tu Stultus Es

2012-04-09 08:08:06

#344

eleven bravo: Member; +1,399|5478|foggy bottom

im just noticing how some of you "science" degree types are jumping at the chance to share with us in this thread your academic history of exceptionalism. how you guys chose your current career tracks even thugh you had an army of humanities professors begging you guys to change discplines because you were just so god damn good

Tu Stultus Es

2012-04-09 08:08:13

#345

Pochsy: Artifice of Eternity; +702|5762|Toronto

Jay wrote:
The secret to happiness in life is maximizing free time and balancing that with a job that pays enough that you don't have to worry about money. It really is that simple.

And there we have it, folks, the world according to Jay.

No mention of philanthropy, no mention of love, and I suspect he may be a Marxist as money seems to be life's focus. It even has Marx's focus on the development of the self allowed for by your monetary condition. Lacking in wanting to break the system or exchange value, though.

The shape of an eye in front of the ocean, digging for stones and throwing them against its window pane. Take it down dreamer, take it down deep. - Other Families

2012-04-09 08:09:00

#346

rdx-fx: ...; +955|6810

eleven bravo wrote:
youre all a bunch of pogs

You are too, civilian.

2012-04-09 08:09:18

#347

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6689

rdx, where am i saying that any other career doesn't have a top-level ambition? all i'm saying is that, for my academics at least, they are people totally at the top of their game. the game they chose was academia. i respect them because they have given themselves to it and achieved the best that can possibly be achieved (in most cases). i'm not saying the ivory tower is the only place with this sort of excellence. i'm just saying, as with 99% of people, life is about compromise and accepting you won't fulfill your dreams - it's about everyday ordinary tedium and toil. it can be this way for 99% of academics, too, that don't get the best qualification and aren't leading their field. all i'm saying is that jay is setting himself up with some mighty-high standards if oxford phd'd people that are flown all over the world to lecture and give their authority are "lazy". cause to me that represents the pinnacle of that chosen career path.

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2012-04-09 08:09:31

#348

eleven bravo: Member; +1,399|5478|foggy bottom

CIB's are for life

Tu Stultus Es

2012-04-09 08:10:17

#349

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5577|London, England

Uzique wrote:
academia is about research, teaching is a secondary part. how exactly else would one "do" if they wanted to further research in a given field? you really think academics are second-rate competition dropouts because they want to give their lives to researching a field, rather than working for a business? what an odd set of standards you abide by.

40 hours a week of teaching? really? over here our top-level academics teach for about 8-10 hours a week. the rest is fulltime research. and my point about a pog-college is that it's a military school for people leeching off the state, not a bastion of academic excellence.

You assume that you are going to jump straight from graduating into a top-level academic role teaching only 8-10 hours a week and spending the rest researching? You really are an entitled prick if you think that. Would you expect to become instant upper-level management at a bank too? Jesus christ kid.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2012-04-09 08:10:44

#350

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6689

eleven bravo wrote:
im just noticing how some of you "science" degree types are jumping at the chance to share with us in this thread your academic history of exceptionalism. how you guys chose your current career tracks even thugh you had an army of humanities professors begging you guys to change discplines because you were just so god damn good

yeah it seems to be the case with them all, eh? i guess they coulda all gone to harvard and got an english degree, np... cause some dude marking their papers for a minor elective course (where evidently 40% of all papers get a top-grade... ahem) passed them a feelgood comment one time. guess that means they have that entire discipline in the bag. the talents of the empiricist are illimitable!

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