His wife is a tea party member so we already know which way he is going.
i dont think the law will be upheld
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Why?
cus the court leans a bit right, right now
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Depends on Kennedy.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Eh? The court has made some forward thinking rulings in times in times you wouldn't expect it to
kennedy tends to vote right more often than left, hes the wild card but hes not liking this law
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Lol.Macbeth wrote:
Eh? The court has made some forward thinking rulings in times in times you wouldn't expect it to
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Elaborate, please. I'm interested.Jay wrote:
Lol.Macbeth wrote:
Eh? The court has made some forward thinking rulings in times in times you wouldn't expect it to
Because you honestly equate progress with progressivism. Forward thinking, progress, they're words designed to make anything excluded seem backwards and quaint. They're the highest form of snobbery.
I'm sorry, but I don't view the expansion of government as progress, I view it as regression.
I'm sorry, but I don't view the expansion of government as progress, I view it as regression.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Actually I think you are right. Pretty poor word choice on my part.
How about we address some of the legal implications?
The government claims that everyone participates in the healthcare market, and healthcare is interstate commerce, thus they have the power over it via the interstate commerce clause.
Then, there is the business of the penalty being a tax for the purposes of Constitutional power, but not a tax for just about any other reason...
The government claims that everyone participates in the healthcare market, and healthcare is interstate commerce, thus they have the power over it via the interstate commerce clause.
Then, there is the business of the penalty being a tax for the purposes of Constitutional power, but not a tax for just about any other reason...
So what do you want to talk about?
Say that again when you are over 60.Jay wrote:
Yes, because at the end of every year you should spend the remainder frivolously. Stop being retarded.Dilbert_X wrote:
Of course, you're never going to be sicker than $5k/yr.Jay wrote:
Insurance companies make a profit, yes? They make a profit on ~$300 per person/per month. $3600 per year. So save $5000 a year (nice little 40% buffer) for medical care and you magically don't need health insurance. Amazing. It really is that simple, and inexpensive.
For example: the amountof 100% medical paid dialysis business here is insane. Wait until you get cataract to get free Lasik.
Just saying though. I don't mind paying more to get in front of the line for care.
All the money you put away for health care is going to get raped by inflation. Especially if you manage to make it to 60.
Yes, because as well as spending it frivolously at the end of every year, the remainder will be buried in my back yard until it is needed.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
imo being against health care for all is just greed
I met a guy in Az that was in a car crash at 19, didn't have insurance and is still in about $20000 debt at 21. Adding an extra debt at that age without having any sort of qualification or investment to show for it is ridiculous.
I met a guy in Az that was in a car crash at 19, didn't have insurance and is still in about $20000 debt at 21. Adding an extra debt at that age without having any sort of qualification or investment to show for it is ridiculous.
So you are going to gamble your health care emergency money on the stock market? Savings accounts don't pay out enough to keep up with inflation let alone make some sort of profit.
There are other options besides the stock market. Bond markets are stable. Other forms of investment are relatively stable. The stock market itself is stable over time. Fluctuations are temporary.Macbeth wrote:
So you are going to gamble your health care emergency money on the stock market? Savings accounts don't pay out enough to keep up with inflation let alone make some sort of profit.
Principle $5,000.00
Interest 8%
Year
1 $46,586.37
2 $43,135.53
3 $39,940.31
4 $36,981.77
5 $34,242.38
6 $31,705.90
7 $29,357.32
8 $27,182.70
9 $25,169.17
10 $23,304.79
11 $21,578.51
12 $19,980.10
13 $18,500.09
14 $17,129.71
15 $15,860.85
16 $14,685.97
17 $13,598.12
18 $12,590.85
19 $11,658.19
20 $10,794.62
21 $9,995.02
22 $9,254.65
23 $8,569.12
24 $7,934.37
25 $7,346.64
26 $6,802.44
27 $6,298.56
28 $5,832.00
29 $5,400.00
30 $5,000.00
Sum $566,416.06
Here, with a modest 8% return and a 30 year period is what you could expect to see. What you see at Year 1 is what your $5,000 annual investment would look like after the 30th year.
Again, insurance companies make a profit with relatively low premiums. Is there a chance that you could turn into one of the outliers that has ridiculously high health care costs at some point in your life? Yes, but the odds are overwhelmingly against it.
Edit - "Zomg 8% is high!" I'm at 86.21% return since I began investing a little less than two years ago and I do not day trade.
Just for Shits & Giggles, I extrapolated that 43.11% RoR on the same spreadsheet:
Principle $5,000.00
Interest 43%
Year
1 $163,289,942.64
2 $114,104,987.69
3 $79,735,150.90
4 $55,717,935.01
5 $38,935,002.28
6 $27,207,296.94
7 $19,012,121.82
8 $13,285,435.05
9 $9,283,697.32
10 $6,487,332.60
11 $4,533,267.60
12 $3,167,791.20
13 $2,213,613.22
14 $1,546,845.48
15 $1,080,916.45
16 $755,331.01
17 $527,815.95
18 $368,831.24
19 $257,734.70
20 $180,101.81
21 $125,852.91
22 $87,944.46
23 $61,454.50
24 $42,943.64
25 $30,008.48
26 $20,969.56
27 $14,653.27
28 $10,239.52
29 $7,155.25
30 $5,000.00
Sum $542,097,372.50
I wish
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"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Okay, so you would gamble your emergency money away on the stock market. Just making sure.
My grandparents were popping pills like no-bodies business before they died. Must have cost the NHS a shit load. At some point, unless you die suddenly, you WILL have high health care costs.
Lol. Good luck not being poor without investing.Macbeth wrote:
Okay, so you would gamble your emergency money away on the stock market. Just making sure.
DJIA since 1987:
Last edited by Jay (2012-03-27 12:38:37)
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
someone please explain why a health care system that works fine in a lot of comparable countries would not work in the us...
Please explain why our system is wrong just because it's different?cl4u53w1t2 wrote:
someone please explain why a health care system that works fine in a lot of comparable countries would not work in the us...
Y'all in the rest of the world spend an inordinate amount of time trying to tell Americans that they're wrong because they don't conform to your cultural norms. You make a big deal about imperial standard units vs metric, farenheit vs celcius, driving on a certain side of the road, having enough socialism in our government. Worry about your own shit, like the fact that your military is full of overweight alcoholics, thanks.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
lol. u mad?Jay wrote:
Please explain why our system is wrong just because it's different?cl4u53w1t2 wrote:
someone please explain why a health care system that works fine in a lot of comparable countries would not work in the us...
Y'all in the rest of the world spend an inordinate amount of time trying to tell Americans that they're wrong because they don't conform to your cultural norms. You make a big deal about imperial standard units vs metric, farenheit vs celcius, driving on a certain side of the road, having enough socialism in our government. Worry about your own shit, like the fact that your military is full of overweight alcoholics, thanks.
'twas a serious question