BF2S Forums Supreme Court begins review of health-care law

-Whiteroom- wrote:

Neither do I, guy.

im not your guy, friend

-Whiteroom- wrote:

Not your friend, buddy.

im not your buddy guy

DrunkFace wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

Jay you don't remove competition when you have the government in health. Look at Australia's medicare system, it has good enough coverage for more emergency needs (surgeries and what not) but costs for optional shit you gotta pay yourself or receive government assistance based on income. Private insurance companies make a lot of money in Aussie and is very profitable. Shit 50% of Australians buy an additional set of private insurance, and doctors can choose to work for the gov, or go private. Under medicare, patients get covered 75% if its a private doctor or hospital, but if its public its 100% covered.

You do know the government heavily subsidises private health care to make it a lot more affordable so the public system isn't overloaded. They do the same with private schools, private 'public' transport and roads. They are effectively paying the competition to force themselves out of business. Works well.

there's enough coverage in the public systems anyway. private insurance is just icing on the top for other shit. I pay 66 dollars a month lol.

Cybargs wrote:

DrunkFace wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

Jay you don't remove competition when you have the government in health. Look at Australia's medicare system, it has good enough coverage for more emergency needs (surgeries and what not) but costs for optional shit you gotta pay yourself or receive government assistance based on income. Private insurance companies make a lot of money in Aussie and is very profitable. Shit 50% of Australians buy an additional set of private insurance, and doctors can choose to work for the gov, or go private. Under medicare, patients get covered 75% if its a private doctor or hospital, but if its public its 100% covered.

You do know the government heavily subsidises private health care to make it a lot more affordable so the public system isn't overloaded. They do the same with private schools, private 'public' transport and roads. They are effectively paying the competition to force themselves out of business. Works well.

there's enough coverage in the public systems anyway. private insurance is just icing on the top for other shit. I pay 66 dollars a month lol.

It's cool that you're ok with someone else paying your bills for you. You bash Keynesian interventionist economics and then you go and brag about your socialist health care. Which is it?

Really, how is a taxpayer funded health system any different from an employer funded health system? You're stealing from your corporations via taxes in order to fund your system, we just cut out the government middleman (or did).

Did I create the system? No. Would I be a fool to throw away an opportunity to save money? Yes. Would I cry if the whole system went away tomorrow? No. Seriously guy, your act got old years ago. Go ride a bike or punch yourself in the dick or something please.

Dilbert_X wrote:

So other people are also looking for an opportunity too - go cry somewhere else with your hypocrisy.

Yeah, because I'm really benefiting by living in an apartment that sees annual rent increases of 3.7%. Moron.

Jay wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

DrunkFace wrote:

You do know the government heavily subsidises private health care to make it a lot more affordable so the public system isn't overloaded. They do the same with private schools, private 'public' transport and roads. They are effectively paying the competition to force themselves out of business. Works well.

there's enough coverage in the public systems anyway. private insurance is just icing on the top for other shit. I pay 66 dollars a month lol.

It's cool that you're ok with someone else paying your bills for you. You bash Keynesian interventionist economics and then you go and brag about your socialist health care. Which is it?

Really, how is a taxpayer funded health system any different from an employer funded health system? You're stealing from your corporations via taxes in order to fund your system, we just cut out the government middleman (or did).

Same shit with insurance companies, they collect funds and put it in a big pool and collectively pay off other people's medical bill. In the case with governments, everyone has to do it. Not exactly getting someone else paying for all my bills, everybody is paying into it.

The medicare levy we have in Australia is only 1% of our tax payments, there's an additional 1.5% if you don't have private insurance, but either way its still vastly cheaper than what you have in America. It just means our country won't end up bankrupt due to medicare/medicaid and the retarded bureaucratic hassle to get either programs to prove your eligible, since every citizen who has been a resident over 2 years can receive medicare here. It works pretty well here jay, but that's more to do with having a 23 million pop + high avg income (69k a year lel).

As for the US system, its better off being done at a state level, not a federal level due to bureaucratic overhead. let the states themselves decide reciprocal health agreements.

Last edited by Cybargs (2012-03-27 05:26:14)

Jay wrote:

No. Fuck that. Keep government out of the health system completely. State or federal, fuck 'em both.

Hasn't really worked well anywhere in the world.

AussieReaper wrote:

Jay wrote:

No. Fuck that. Keep government out of the health system completely. State or federal, fuck 'em both.

That would be perfect if only health care were a marketable commodity,but it isn't.

There's no demand Bell curve. You don't say I'll pay 50 thousand for my cancer treatment and not a cent more cause that's what the rest of the market pays. The demand for healthcare is infinite and everyone gets sick barring an incredibly sudden death.

Or you can fly to places like Taiwan which has cheaper medical fees due to low cost of living/salaries, but high quality

AussieReaper wrote:

Jay wrote:

No. Fuck that. Keep government out of the health system completely. State or federal, fuck 'em both.

That would be perfect if only health care were a marketable commodity,but it isn't.

There's no demand Bell curve. You don't say I'll pay 50 thousand for my cancer treatment and not a cent more cause that's what the rest of the market pays. The demand for healthcare is infinite and everyone gets sick barring an incredibly sudden death.

Insurance companies make a profit, yes? They make a profit on ~$300 per person/per month. $3600 per year. So save $5000 a year (nice little 40% buffer) for medical care and you magically don't need health insurance. Amazing. It really is that simple, and inexpensive.

AussieReaper wrote:

Jay wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

That would be perfect if only health care were a marketable commodity,but it isn't.

There's no demand Bell curve. You don't say I'll pay 50 thousand for my cancer treatment and not a cent more cause that's what the rest of the market pays. The demand for healthcare is infinite and everyone gets sick barring an incredibly sudden death.

Insurance companies make a profit, yes? They make a profit on ~$300 per person/per month. $3600 per year. So save $5000 a year (nice little 40% buffer) for medical care and you magically don't need health insurance. Amazing. It really is that simple, and inexpensive.

Because there's no such thing as poor people in your world?

Again, truly poor people have medicaid.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Jay wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

That would be perfect if only health care were a marketable commodity,but it isn't.

There's no demand Bell curve. You don't say I'll pay 50 thousand for my cancer treatment and not a cent more cause that's what the rest of the market pays. The demand for healthcare is infinite and everyone gets sick barring an incredibly sudden death.

Insurance companies make a profit, yes? They make a profit on ~$300 per person/per month. $3600 per year. So save $5000 a year (nice little 40% buffer) for medical care and you magically don't need health insurance. Amazing. It really is that simple, and inexpensive.

Of course, you're never going to be sicker than $5k/yr.

Yes, because at the end of every year you should spend the remainder frivolously. Stop being retarded.

clarence thomas makes all his decision prior to the oral argument.  he does not feel the oral argument adds anything to the strength of a case