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Poll

What should the US do about the Iran situation?

Continue pressing for UN Security Council Sanctions17%17% - 21
Use Backchannel diplomacy through Russia9%9% - 12
Launch a conventional Invasion8%8% - 10
Let Israel handle it13%13% - 16
Nuke them into the Stone Age27%27% - 33
Nothing24%24% - 30
Total: 122
2006-05-22 16:06:45
King_County_Downy
shitfaced
+2,791|6614|Seattle

BN wrote:

King_County_Downy wrote:

I wish we would close up our borders, stop sending aid to unappreciative pieces of shit countries around the world, and never look back. You fuckers deal with this shit then. Good luck
Good idea. Look after your own people before you look after others. America has enough crime & poverty. Imagine if all the foreign aid was used to combat those issues.
My point exactly. I love to help but it seems like no one appreciates anything America does. I don't like to sound so negative, but enough already.
Sober enough to know what I'm doing, drunk enough to really enjoy doing it
2006-05-22 16:10:40
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6573

King_County_Downy wrote:

BN wrote:

King_County_Downy wrote:

I wish we would close up our borders, stop sending aid to unappreciative pieces of shit countries around the world, and never look back. You fuckers deal with this shit then. Good luck
Good idea. Look after your own people before you look after others. America has enough crime & poverty. Imagine if all the foreign aid was used to combat those issues.
My point exactly. I love to help but it seems like no one appreciates anything America does. I don't like to sound so negative, but enough already.
I think the poll says it all when the majority think the US should do nothing. Why must the US meddle in others affairs? I don't think too many would have a problem with the US taking a back seat in international affairs.
2006-05-22 16:41:43
{BMF}*Frank_The_Tank
U.S. > Iran
+497|6595|Florida
I think the backchannel diplomacy through russia is a DECENT idea, not necessarily the best, but its definately not the worst.  Russia seems to be a decent mediator for it.  We have an OK relationship with them, and I think Iran trusts them more than they do us.  We are the U.S., but just because thats what country we are, doesnt mean everyone will like us, or our ways of doing things.  And sometimes taking a country head on and giving them an altimatum (sp?) isnt the best way of doing things, hence why I think having a mediator such as Russia would be helpful.  It may even make things stronger between the U.S. and Russia.  Not that they are our best friends, but I think if something were threaten them, and/or us, we would be on the same team.  Just my 2/100ths of a dollar.
2006-05-22 17:07:02
Capt. Foley
Member
+155|6605|Allentown, PA, USA

Dangermouse1984 wrote:

The US should leave Iran alone, & what Iran SITUATION, so what they are developing nuclear power......? They are intitled to find an effiecent way to power there country, & what evidence do we have they are producing WOMD......!??!?!?!?!
Is it any surprise that iran is a Middle eastern country with, vast oil reserves, no wonder the US wants to wage a war on them.

I say let them develope WOMD, if thats what there doing & unlease then on the White House & the pentagon & Stupid greedy american government & its monopilising(not a word obviously) officials!  ALSO SORRY FOR ANY INNOCENT BYSTANDERS THAT WOULD GET HURT, I DO KNOW & LIKE YANKS (LOL JK) AMERICANS IN GENERAL, JUST NOT YOUR DICTATORS>
You are a complete dumbass. I just wasted my time replying to this
2006-05-22 17:09:44
alpinestar
Member
+304|6613|New York City baby.

King_County_Downy wrote:

I wish we would close up our borders, stop sending aid to unappreciative peices of shit countries around the world, and never look back. You fuckers deal with this shit then. Good luck
If you did that you would ride a bicycle to work.
2006-05-22 17:27:33
BN
smells like wee wee
+159|6785

King_County_Downy wrote:

I love to help but it seems like no one appreciates anything America does.
Thats cos nobody trust ya
2006-05-22 17:36:50
CommieChipmunk
Member
+488|6587|Portland, OR, USA

BN wrote:

King_County_Downy wrote:

I love to help but it seems like no one appreciates anything America does.
Thats cos nobody trust ya
I dont trust us..
2006-05-22 17:42:04
BN
smells like wee wee
+159|6785

NB-CO-DELTA-COMMAND wrote:

The solution is not " political " .   im not trying to sound like a war happy dude but we need to " dis-arm " there nukes. we have to defend our asian allies. military action is needed. tactical nukes should be used to destroy under-ground factoryes and tech places, yet again im not trying to get people on my side. just saying what needs to be done, the UN has goten letter from iran basicaly saying " FUCK YOU!" and well. what else can we do bro's? we cant sit in our lawn chair n watch the 2nd sun "  A Nuke "  israel and then palistinains ( pardon my spelling my  fingers are cold ) will take over and make a " state " ... well guys thats all im saying. we cant let em nuke our allies or our troops in iraq. i say it will be a massive air war, tactical nukes will be needed. yet again no offence to anyone im just saying what needs to be done. all options are gone. there is one left. and its war.... - Kessler
HUH?? What are you talking about??

"dude but we need to " dis-arm " there nukes" "we cant let em nuke our allies or our troops in iraq" - they dont have nukes! get a grip, do some reading, educate yourself.
"all options are gone." - yeah, cos they are 5 minutes away from launching a big nasty nuke!! perhaps Condi Rice can rehash her previous quote from iraq "we dont want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud"
2006-05-22 18:27:16
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6669|USA

Bubbalo wrote:

lowing wrote:

Based on what I read in this forum, and as disgusted as I get reading it, I say screw it. Let the EU handle it along with anyone on that side of the world with balls enough to stop it. I am all for America pulling out of Iraq, beefing up our borders and let you handle your problems on your side of the world. Then there is reality, and that of course could never happen. Since if we stayed out of it, you Europeans would probably be surrendering your countries to Iran in 2 years.
That's what you did pre-WWII.  Then somebody realised that letting everyone else kill each other is bad for the economy.
ohhhhhhhhhhh, see, I thought we enter WW2 AFTER we were attacked at Pearl Harbor, my mistake.
2006-05-22 20:47:30
NB-CO-DELTA-COMMAND
Member
+6|6670
BN. gues what. they have nukes. wanna know how i know? becuase we have photo's of them MOVING NUKES!!!!!
2006-05-22 20:57:53
BN
smells like wee wee
+159|6785

NB-CO-DELTA-COMMAND wrote:

BN. gues what. they have nukes. wanna know how i know? becuase we have photo's of them MOVING NUKES!!!!!
Links or email them to me please or are they just like those mobile chemical labs Iraq had?
2006-05-22 20:57:54
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|6707|Tampa Bay Florida
I'm no expert, but I've read lots of stuff that pretty much says a conventional invasion would be suicide... kind of similar to invanding Japan back in WW2 (not on the same scale, of course).  Think things are bad in Iraq?  It would be much, much worse in Iran, not to mention their military will actually put up a fight.  I think unconventional warfare, airstrikes, special operations, etc. should be used to destroy ONLY the nuclear facilities.
2006-05-22 21:30:46
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6579

lowing wrote:

ohhhhhhhhhhh, see, I thought we enter WW2 AFTER we were attacked at Pearl Harbor, my mistake.
Sure.  But why did America not retreat into itself post WWII?

Spearhead wrote:

I think unconventional warfare, airstrikes, special operations, etc. should be used to destroy ONLY the nuclear facilities.
Uh-huh.  So, you deny them nuclear power because you can?  Besides, that would likely result in an invasion of Iraq.

Last edited by Bubbalo (2006-05-22 21:31:52)

2006-05-22 21:54:34
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6579

CameronPoe wrote:

Come on, give the idea a chance, it would make about 15 arab nations happy too!
If you nuked America it wouldn't *just* be Arab nations that were made happy, and there'd be a whole lot more than 15
2006-05-22 23:38:53
Sentinel
Cheeseburger Connoisseur
+145|6675|Australia
Ok, I personally think that the USA should leave Iran alone. Iran should be allowed to have access to nuclear power - it is the future, so i think that USA should 'let them' - like a country needs permission.
As for whether Iran develops Nuke warheads, well on one hand they would be dangerous - but the only people that would cop it would be Isreal. and if israel sop it they will sure as hell fire back and therefore - mutual destruction - something that most nations really dont want.
The positive side of Iran developing nukes would be that it would balance the Arab/Israeli power struture. It is because of Israel that tensions exist in the middle east - so with an Arab country having nukes, Israel's 'bullying' of other nations, as some arabs like to call it, may be reduced, and tensions may even decrease - even though the potential for a nuclear war has increased.
2006-05-22 23:50:50
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|6707|Tampa Bay Florida

Bubbalo wrote:

lowing wrote:

ohhhhhhhhhhh, see, I thought we enter WW2 AFTER we were attacked at Pearl Harbor, my mistake.
Sure.  But why did America not retreat into itself post WWII?

Spearhead wrote:

I think unconventional warfare, airstrikes, special operations, etc. should be used to destroy ONLY the nuclear facilities.
Uh-huh.  So, you deny them nuclear power because you can?  Besides, that would likely result in an invasion of Iraq.
Sorry, I meant to say once they had developed a nuclear warhead.  I know what you're saying, and I agree for the most part, but there is no way of telling whether or not they will use their nuclear weapons on Isreal.
2006-05-23 00:18:16
Dangermouse1984
Member
+1|6568

Capt. Foley wrote:

Dangermouse1984 wrote:

The US should leave Iran alone, & what Iran SITUATION, so what they are developing nuclear power......? They are intitled to find an effiecent way to power there country, & what evidence do we have they are producing WOMD......!??!?!?!?!
Is it any surprise that iran is a Middle eastern country with, vast oil reserves, no wonder the US wants to wage a war on them.

I say let them develope WOMD, if thats what there doing & unlease then on the White House & the pentagon & Stupid greedy american government & its monopilising(not a word obviously) officials!  ALSO SORRY FOR ANY INNOCENT BYSTANDERS THAT WOULD GET HURT, I DO KNOW & LIKE YANKS (LOL JK) AMERICANS IN GENERAL, JUST NOT YOUR DICTATORS>
You are a complete dumbass. I just wasted my time replying to this
Then Dont bother replying, if thats all you can come up with. 


Iron_Sentinel wrote:

Ok, I personally think that the USA should leave Iran alone. Iran should be allowed to have access to nuclear power - it is the future, so i think that USA should 'let them' - like a country needs permission.
As for whether Iran develops Nuke warheads, well on one hand they would be dangerous - but the only people that would cop it would be Isreal. and if israel sop it they will sure as hell fire back and therefore - mutual destruction - something that most nations really dont want.
The positive side of Iran developing nukes would be that it would balance the Arab/Israeli power struture. It is because of Israel that tensions exist in the middle east - so with an Arab country having nukes, Israel's 'bullying' of other nations, as some arabs like to call it, may be reduced, and tensions may even decrease - even though the potential for a nuclear war has increased.
Great point & slightly less contraversial, but the real obvious answear is in the poll results where the majority of answears are NOTHING!!!
2006-05-23 00:19:45
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6579
Same as there is no way of telling if Israel will use their nukes against anyone else.
2006-05-23 00:24:20
Fredrik
i hate you all
+201|6666|Norway
I think they should make some fake evidence of nuclear weapons and invade their country...
2006-05-23 00:26:44
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6579
I can't believe the number of people who think the US has the resources to launch another war.  If they do, don't you think they would have threatened it already?
2006-05-23 00:34:03
Dangermouse1984
Member
+1|6568

Fredrik wrote:

I think they should make some fake evidence of nuclear weapons and invade their country...
What you mean like the last time & the time before that etc etc etc etc
No wonder there is a hatred towards the US from middle Eastern countries, because that seems to be how your leaders think too!!!!!  Just when a country begins to restabilise itself you decide to invade it, or tactically bomb them, with false evidence of WOMD's & invasions.  Why do you even need to get involved anyway, you thousands of miles away it effects you in no way what so ever.... Oh no SORRY IT DOES, as war damages the world economy, & drains the worlds natural resources like Gas Oil, & if that happens you wont be able to fuel your exorbitant yank tank cars & be the richest country in the world.
Focus on stuff thats happening on your doorstop, & stop being TEAM F***ING AMERICA as displayed in the Film.  DAM PUPPETS

Throw insults & negative Karma all you want!!!!!!!! I Don't Give a Shit, surprisingly, or are you going to invade us too!!!!!!!
2006-05-23 03:32:38
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6669|USA

Bubbalo wrote:

lowing wrote:

ohhhhhhhhhhh, see, I thought we enter WW2 AFTER we were attacked at Pearl Harbor, my mistake.
Sure.  But why did America not retreat into itself post WWII?
why can you NOT ask this question of America after WW1? After WW2 I would think it was quite obvious, that it would impossible for America to sit back and watch the world go by and NOT grow into the technology that WW2 brought. The US entered WW2 woefully behind on technology in airplanes and tanks and such. Maybe they decided that is a position that they would not allow themselves in again. Especially with the USSR.

If you are accusing what I think you are, the real question is ............Why did we give it all back?? Japan, Germany, France etc...... Sorry bubbalo, but the US just doesn't fit the mold that you have for an  invade and conquor , rape and pillage, war mongering, blood thirsty nation that you desparately want us to look like.
2006-05-23 04:20:40
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6579

lowing wrote:

why can you NOT ask this question of America after WW1?
Because they didn't retreat into themselves?

lowing wrote:

After WW2 I would think it was quite obvious, that it would impossible for America to sit back and watch the world go by and NOT grow into the technology that WW2 brought. The US entered WW2 woefully behind on technology in airplanes and tanks and such.
Right, it's no like they had the most advanced infantry weapon in the world or anything.  They also had almost as many carriers as Britain.

lowing wrote:

Maybe they decided that is a position that they would not allow themselves in again. Especially with the USSR.
Because they couldn't have done that with internal studies and purchasing technology off others?

lowing wrote:

If you are accusing what I think you are, the real question is ............Why did we give it all back?? Japan, Germany, France etc...... Sorry bubbalo, but the US just doesn't fit the mold that you have for an  invade and conquor , rape and pillage, war mongering, blood thirsty nation that you desparately want us to look like.
1)  Even if you're right, the fact that you didn't then doesn't mean you don't now.

2)  You gave France back?  When were you in control of it?

3)  Maybe because you had to?  Otherwise they'd, y'know, fight you aswell?
2006-05-23 04:45:25
4_Phucsache
Property of BF2s©
+112|6600|Brisbane Australia
Hmm I find it interesting how many users here jump directly to the "destroy all their possible nuclear facilities" conclusion.

Australia is currently engaged in MAJOR research into alternate fuel and energy sources. One of the sources that we are looking at is Nuclear power. Now as one of the worlds RICHEST countries in uranium deposits does this mean that we too should start to "watch our backs" and expect possible invasion by the USA who we have long been allied with and might I say we have also been one of their staunchest allies in many troubling times. Or would it be more practical to say that the USA would simply choose to ignore our foray into the nuclear playground or even, heaven forbid, assist us in our travel down this dangerous path???

I have stated in earlier posts that I have served alongside US troops in the past and have nothing but praise and admiration for them but topics like this often give me cause to wonder at the logic displayed by many factions within the USA.
Is the problem nuclear technology or potential loss of valuable resources??

I realize this will incite a fresh wave of flames in my direction but if you could please keep them concise and logical it would be appreciated.

Cheers,
SCUD.
2006-05-23 15:50:01
BN
smells like wee wee
+159|6785

SCUD1974 wrote:

if you could please keep them concise and logical it would be appreciated.
Good luck bro!

 

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