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the moment the US significantly increases the size of its military/defense industry, the P5 will start building up
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p5?
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permanent security council
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well why didn't you just say that silly!
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anyway the lesson here is fuck france
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because p5 is two letters?
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FatherTed wrote:

anyway the lesson here is fuck france
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why so much hate
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Jay wrote:

Kmar wrote:

Gingrich Wins The GOP Debate In The First Five Minutes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl … Yf_005EqDM

NORTH CHARLESTON, South Carolina—Newt Gingrich scored an early victory in tonight's Republican Presidential Debate with an indignant response to moderator John King's question about his ex-wife.

"I am appalled that you would begin a presidential debate on a topic such as this," Gingrich said to huge applause.

He added that bringing up the issue so close to the primary "is as close to despicable as anything I could imagine."

Gingrich's ex-wife Marianne Gingrich told ABC News' Brian Ross that Gingrich asked her for an open marriage so he could carry on an affair with his current wife, Callista. Gingrich and his daughters have denied the charge.

When King tried to defend his network, noting that the interview with the former Mrs. Gingrich is airing on ABC later tonight, Gingrich attacked CNN for repeating the "false" claims in the interview.

"It was repeated by your network, you chose to start your debate with it. Don’t try to pass the blame on to someone else," he said to a standing ovation.

Gingrich is paying the victim card and media critic with aplomb. This is the only thing anyone will be talking about tonight, and he won the moment.
Yep. Totally unreasonable for them to ask personal moral questions of the guy running as the uber-social-conservative.

(the loud cheering at political debates/rallies/speeches bothers me to no end )
You know the damage a rumor or a suggestive question can do, even if it's not valid. He crushed it.. as well as he should have.

I'm Not Saying that Glenn Beck murdered and raped a Young Girl in 1990; I'm just asking the question.
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Don't think the tactic will last forever.

You can attack the elitest, liberal media all you want when you don't like a question. But the public will want some answers on the more important issues than his personal life.

Gingrich is in attack mode and doing well, but there is no substance there.
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FEOS
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Dilbert_X wrote:

FEOS wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Its not a conspiracy though. It doesn't take a lot of leg work to see the consistency in the transition of public officials to the private consulting/lobbying sector. There's plenty of instances of public officials being rewarded with cushy jobs in the same industry they were involved in crafting legislation for/about after leaving politics.
There's a difference between being hired in a given industry/lobby for your knowledge and actively working to help that industry/lobby while in service/office in the hopes of landing said gig, which is what Dilbert was claiming as the norm. The latter is illegal, and the former has severe constraints on how long you have to wait and who you can work for after leaving office/service.
Happens every day though, and vice-versa - industry lobby groups get their man into govt positions.

Like I said, you're so used to moral bankruptcy you can't even see it now.
You have no idea what you're talking about. I have to take training, sign paperwork, and fill out financial disclosure forms every year because of the laws I mentioned. Because people go to jail regularly for violating the laws involved. And you're squawking about "moral bankruptcy." You have no argument, so you equate a few to the entirety of the population--a classic argument failure. And the guy in question didn't even do what you're implying...you've gone off on another (wrong) tangent entirely. And when called on it for its utter wrongness, all you've got is that "moral bankruptcy" nonsense, as if you're somehow morally superior.

Hogwash.
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FEOS
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AussieReaper wrote:

FEOS wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

I like how the Bush legacy is completely ignored as if it never happened. Don't think I've heard his name mentioned once in the Republican debates.
Because Obama's policies have added 35% of the federal debt in three years, with no real progress on the root problems. The people have realized (and I think the Administration has, too) that he can't blame the previous Administration for his and Congress' failures any longer. They own it.
Iraq and Afghanistan were Bush's wars. Now the Republicans are talking up fighting Iran. That is the elephant in the room that nobody wants to discuss.

As if fighting in another front and then potentially further in Pakistan is what the country needs right now.
"The Republicans"? As if only one party has a say in national security matters in this country. Keep in mind that we have a bicameral legislature, and one house is controlled by Obama's party. Oh, and Obama sets national security policy, not "the Republicans." That would be the policy that determines whether or not we go to war with Iran (or take any military, economic, or diplomatic action against them). Congress just has to approve it.

And Obama ramped up the troop commitment in Afghanistan.

Afghanistan is "Bush's War"? Sorry, after three years and Obama calling the shots as CINC, it's his. And if we're still there when the next guy takes office, it'll be his war then.

But don't bother your pretty little head with facts.
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FEOS wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

FEOS wrote:


Because Obama's policies have added 35% of the federal debt in three years, with no real progress on the root problems. The people have realized (and I think the Administration has, too) that he can't blame the previous Administration for his and Congress' failures any longer. They own it.
Iraq and Afghanistan were Bush's wars. Now the Republicans are talking up fighting Iran. That is the elephant in the room that nobody wants to discuss.

As if fighting in another front and then potentially further in Pakistan is what the country needs right now.
"The Republicans"? As if only one party has a say in national security matters in this country. Keep in mind that we have a bicameral legislature, and one house is controlled by Obama's party. Oh, and Obama sets national security policy, not "the Republicans." That would be the policy that determines whether or not we go to war with Iran (or take any military, economic, or diplomatic action against them). Congress just has to approve it.

And Obama ramped up the troop commitment in Afghanistan.

Afghanistan is "Bush's War"? Sorry, after three years and Obama calling the shots as CINC, it's his. And if we're still there when the next guy takes office, it'll be his war then.

But don't bother your pretty little head with facts.
I said they were Bush's wars. Maybe you don't understand past tense? Were is a pretty basic word, I assume you've heard of it?

And you're fine to say it was Obama's policies that added to the federal debt without mention of the bicameral system.

Fact is Bush started two wars, and the next Repub is looking to start another.
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AussieReaper wrote:

FEOS wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:


Iraq and Afghanistan were Bush's wars. Now the Republicans are talking up fighting Iran. That is the elephant in the room that nobody wants to discuss.

As if fighting in another front and then potentially further in Pakistan is what the country needs right now.
"The Republicans"? As if only one party has a say in national security matters in this country. Keep in mind that we have a bicameral legislature, and one house is controlled by Obama's party. Oh, and Obama sets national security policy, not "the Republicans." That would be the policy that determines whether or not we go to war with Iran (or take any military, economic, or diplomatic action against them). Congress just has to approve it.

And Obama ramped up the troop commitment in Afghanistan.

Afghanistan is "Bush's War"? Sorry, after three years and Obama calling the shots as CINC, it's his. And if we're still there when the next guy takes office, it'll be his war then.

But don't bother your pretty little head with facts.
I said they were Bush's wars. Maybe you don't understand past tense? Were is a pretty basic word, I assume you've heard of it?

And you're fine to say it was Obama's policies that added to the federal debt without mention of the bicameral system.

Fact is Bush started two wars, and the next Repub is looking to start another.
And Obama bombed Libya and Yemen, and escalated the Afghanistan war, with no end in sight.
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Escalated how?
It was already a war.
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Increased drone strikes. Overall air strikes are up. Increased troops in country by 30k.

As examples.
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AussieReaper wrote:

FEOS wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

Iraq and Afghanistan were Bush's wars. Now the Republicans are talking up fighting Iran. That is the elephant in the room that nobody wants to discuss.

As if fighting in another front and then potentially further in Pakistan is what the country needs right now.
"The Republicans"? As if only one party has a say in national security matters in this country. Keep in mind that we have a bicameral legislature, and one house is controlled by Obama's party. Oh, and Obama sets national security policy, not "the Republicans." That would be the policy that determines whether or not we go to war with Iran (or take any military, economic, or diplomatic action against them). Congress just has to approve it.

And Obama ramped up the troop commitment in Afghanistan.

Afghanistan is "Bush's War"? Sorry, after three years and Obama calling the shots as CINC, it's his. And if we're still there when the next guy takes office, it'll be his war then.

But don't bother your pretty little head with facts.
I said they were Bush's wars. Maybe you don't understand past tense? Were is a pretty basic word, I assume you've heard of it?

And you're fine to say it was Obama's policies that added to the federal debt without mention of the bicameral system.

Fact is Bush started two wars, and the next Repub is looking to start another.
So you say "were Bush's wars" knowing full well the Obama Administration/Democrat/Blame Bush crowd's penchant for refusing to take responsibility for anything, laying all wrongs at the feet of an administration that has had no say for over three years in the governance of this country. Forgive me if I had to deal with reality, rather than nuance, in my response.

And mentioning the bicameral nature of our legislature was merely to ensure I didn't make the same mistake of blaming it all on one person. As well as showing that your "the Republicans" quip was utter nonsense. They control one half of one third of the government. Not even the part that sets foreign policy. They aren't going to start a war anywhere, with anyone.
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I wonder how much this same care would have cost in Canada or the UK or Japan or Germany:

http://sports.nationalpost.com/2012/01/ … cal-costs/

"We couldn't save your daughter's life, please pay us $200,000 (the revised cost)"
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In the UK it would have cost the parents nothing, and the actual cost for 9 days in hospital far less than $550,000....
Did she have 100 senior consultants attending her full time? I doubt it.
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Dilbert_X wrote:

In the UK it would have cost the parents nothing, and the actual cost for 9 days in hospital far less than $550,000....
Did she have 100 senior consultants attending her full time? I doubt it.
Meanwhile in Australia

Out-of-hospital services

Medicare provides benefits for:

    consultation fees for doctors, including specialists
    tests and examinations by doctors needed to treat illnesses, including X-rays and pathology tests
    eye tests performed by optometrists
    most surgical and other therapeutic procedures performed by doctors
    some surgical procedures performed by approved dentists
    specified items under the Cleft Lip and Palate Scheme
    specified items for allied health services as part of the Chronic Disease Management program—call Medicare on 132 011 for more information.

You can choose the doctor who treats you for out-of-hospital services.
In-hospital services
Public Patient

If you choose to be admitted as a public (Medicare) patient in a public hospital, you will receive treatment by doctors and specialists nominated by the hospital. You will not be charged for care and treatment, or after-care by the treating doctor.
Private Patient

If you are a private patient in a public or private hospital, you will have a choice of doctor to treat you. Medicare will pay 75 per cent of the Medicare Schedule fee for services and procedures provided by the treating doctor. If you have private health insurance some or all of the outstanding balance can be covered.

You will be charged for hospital accommodation and items such as theatre fees and medicines. These costs can also be covered by private health insurance.
Medicare, fuck yeah Australia

http://www.medicareaustralia.gov.au/pub … -cover.jsp
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Feos wrote:

So you say "were Bush's wars" knowing full well the Obama Administration/Democrat/Blame Bush crowd's penchant for refusing to take responsibility for anything, laying all wrongs at the feet of an administration that has had no say for over three years in the governance of this country. Forgive me if I had to deal with reality, rather than nuance, in my response.
Knowing full well you have a chip on your shoulder so didn't read what I wrote.

Feos wrote:

And mentioning the bicameral nature of our legislature was merely to ensure I didn't make the same mistake of blaming it all on one person. As well as showing that your "the Republicans" quip was utter nonsense. They control one half of one third of the government. Not even the part that sets foreign policy. They aren't going to start a war anywhere, with anyone.
They are talking up starting a war with Iran. Not now. But as soon as they get the chance. You have heard the rhetoric from the Repubs during the campaign for POTUS?

My point is that another war is the last thing the US needs right now.
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Feos wrote:

So you say "were Bush's wars" knowing full well the Obama Administration/Democrat/Blame Bush crowd's penchant for refusing to take responsibility for anything, laying all wrongs at the feet of an administration that has had no say for over three years in the governance of this country. Forgive me if I had to deal with reality, rather than nuance, in my response.
In eight years Bush created many of the problems, Obama has not fixed them in three, so what?
Some things are very hard to undo, they're going to take decades.
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god I hate how fucking liberal Maryland is sometimes. this shouldn't be up for debate, this animal should be locked up for life WITHOUT parole:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/cri … story.html

I actually attended one of the days of the trial. She had absolutely no remorse. God only in this backwards fucking state would someone try and argue that she shouldn't get life without parole. If this had happened in neighboring Virginia she'd already be on death row.

“A sentence of life without the possibility of parole is a sentence of death by incarceration which is uncalled for in this case,” Wood said in an e-mail. “The community would be better served by a sentence that gives her the possibility of parole.”
No it would NOT be better for the community you dumb fucking bleeding heart.

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Hurricane2k9 wrote:

I actually attended one of the days of the trial.
you will go anywhere to pick up a chick . . .

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