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Skruples wrote:

*sigh*. I don't want to get into debate over this issue, especially not with you of all people. You have given specific examples of black people who have succeeded, ok. Thats kind of like saying Nazis weren't generally bad people because Schindler was a nazi and was a nice guy, it proves nothing. What percentage of the total black population do the people you mentioned represent? What percentage of the total minority population? What percentage of high government and business office has been traditionally held by minorities? If you cannot see that white people, in general (a concept you seem to have some difficulty with) hold more important positions in government and business, then I have to question your objectivity or perceptivity... or more likely both.

Ohh Emm Gee.

Finally, someone hits the nail on the head.

lowing wrote:

I am pointing out that, in this country, more than any other, you can be anything you want to be, if you only apply yourself. the people listed are proof of that. It is sad to think that they, for the most part, are concidered "sell outs" to their race instead of champions of it. If their is another country with greater opportunities for minorites, by all means do tell.

Ok. My point and your point are not mutually exclusive, yet you attacked mine for some reason... and now you're shifting to a completely different topic. There is no country that is diverse as America, that is a fact. That has nothing to do with the equality (or lack thereof) in our economic system, which was the original topic. Now, are there any other completely asinine comments you would like me to address?

Skruples wrote:

lowing wrote:

I am pointing out that, in this country, more than any other, you can be anything you want to be, if you only apply yourself. the people listed are proof of that. It is sad to think that they, for the most part, are concidered "sell outs" to their race instead of champions of it. If their is another country with greater opportunities for minorites, by all means do tell.

Ok. My point and your point are not mutually exclusive, yet you attacked mine for some reason... and now you're shifting to a completely different topic. There is no country that is diverse as America, that is a fact. That has nothing to do with the equality (or lack thereof) in our economic system, which was the original topic. Now, are there any other completely asinine comments you would like me to address?

Yeah, explain to me how there is no "equality" for minorites in todays society. Tell me how, EXACTLY, the white man is keeping the minorites down in daily life?

you said our economic system favors white people......I maintain our economic system favors achievement, and that is well within the confines of this discussion no matter how badly you don't want it to be.

Last edited by lowing (2006-05-22 20:29:07)

Dagger37A wrote:

As a Soldier it pains me to fight for freedoms of people who don't appreciate or deserve them. Ignorance is acceptable, but when you attack a Country that gives you a better way of life just by being in that Country, well that's hypocritical.

In this life you are owed nothing, but can earn everything. It all depends on your attitude.





I'm having a Karma 1/2 price sell.

For every liberal who has a halfway realistic comment I will give them 1 full point of Karma...

Freedom of speech?  To you, your main goal is to serve your country, correct?  To liberals, their main goal is to make life better for all Americans.  Many people have forgotten how Nazi Germany came to power in the 1930's.

lowing wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

Dagger37A wrote:

As a Soldier it pains me to fight for freedoms of people who don't appreciate or deserve them. Ignorance is acceptable, but when you attack a Country that gives you a better way of life just by being in that Country, well that's hypocritical.

In this life you are owed nothing, but can earn everything. It all depends on your attitude.





I'm having a Karma 1/2 price sell.

For every liberal who has a halfway realistic comment I will give them 1 full point of Karma...

Freedom of speech?  To you, your main goal is to serve your country, correct?  To liberals, their main goal is to make life better for all Americans.  Many people have forgotten how Nazi Germany came to power in the 1930's.

Maybe so but it would seem they are "interested in making life better for ALL Americans" on the backs of those people that have actually WORKED for a better life.

Many liberals are hard working.  They are political and environmental activists.  Just because you are not in the military doesn't make you lazy or not worthy of freedom of speech.

Dagger37A wrote:

Spearhead,

Yes I do beleive in Freedom of speech, but if you read above^ "As a Soldier it pains me to fight for freedoms of people who don't appreciate or deserve them." That doesn't mean I won't do as ordered, be away from my family for months on end, to help others in the same shoes (boots) give you those rights.

I believe I karmaed you back.

I'm not calling you a brainwashed Nazi, sorry for the misunderstanding.  It is a well known and correct statement that an Army of free thinkers cannot operate as an Army.

What can we do when our own government is supporting/doing things that we do not like?  Go into our closets and pull out Assault rifles and begin a revolution?  No, we fight against it through words.  Do liberals exagerate (Sp?)?  Yes, I think they do.  Are they correct in many ways?  Yes, I think they are.  Are all liberals haters?  No, but there are some, especially the extremists that the neo-conservatives on these forums stereotype.  Some of them are beyond liberalism, they're almost communists.  Now, am I saying that communism is bad?  I think, that in a perfect world, Communism would work.  But the image of Communism has been completely ruined by states like the USSR, China, and Vietnam who use the governments power to their advantage to spread propaganda and lies, and control the politics. 

The USA is just like the rest of the world, in terms of politics.  On the left, you have neo-liberals (communist or socialist, people like to call them) and on the right, you have facsists and neo-Nazis (such as the KKK and the Aryan nations).

Criticizing the far-left wingers for disagreeing with Neo-conservatives will not get us anywhere, and vice versa to the Right.

Last edited by Spearhead (2006-05-22 21:42:26)

lowing wrote:

Yeah, explain to me how there is no "equality" for minorites in todays society. Tell me how, EXACTLY, the white man is keeping the minorites down in daily life?

you said our economic system favors white people......I maintain our economic system favors achievement, and that is well within the confines of this discussion no matter how badly you don't want it to be.

That would fall into the 'asinine comments' category. If you'll notice in my original statement, the one you took offense to for no reason that I can discern, I said "I'm not saying that this bias is implicit, it has alot more to do with sociology and history than it does with actual laws, but the difference is there."

What I mean by this is that a white (male) manager is more likely to hire a white male worker over a minority (I should note at this point that I meant to include white women along with minorites, insofar as my statement was concerned). It has nothing to do with laws, it has to do with psychology and history. Would the minority do the job just as well? Maybe, I dont know, but studies have shown that both men and women have a bias against women, and there are general societal stereotypes regarding minorities. The result? Like I pointed out, most important governmental and business positions are held by white males, and white males are paid more than any other group in the country.

So my perspective boils down to two points:
A. It is harder for minorities (and women) to get equal treatment (compared to white men) when it comes to getting a job or getting into school.
http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:UZj … k&cd=1
http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:0Ia … k&cd=1(a study that has to do with student evaluations of teachers, but illustrates my point)
and
B. At equal levels of 'achievement' as you would say, white men get paid more than any other group.
http://www-cpr.maxwell.syr.edu/faculty/ … or-men.pdf

Spearhead wrote:

Dagger37A wrote:

Spearhead,

Yes I do believe in Freedom of speech, but if you read above^ "As a Soldier it pains me to fight for freedoms of people who don't appreciate or deserve them." That doesn't mean I won't do as ordered, be away from my family for months on end, to help others in the same shoes (boots) give you those rights.

I believe I karmaed you back.

I'm not calling you a brainwashed Nazi, sorry for the misunderstanding.  It is a well known and correct statement that an Army of free thinkers cannot operate as an Army.

What can we do when our own government is supporting/doing things that we do not like?  Go into our closets and pull out Assault rifles and begin a revolution?  No, we fight against it through words.  Do liberals exaggerate (Sp?)?  Yes, I think they do.  Are they correct in many ways?  Yes, I think they are.  Are all liberals haters?  No, especially the extremists that the neo-conservatives on these forums stereotype.  Some of them are beyond liberalism, they're almost communists.  Now, am I saying that communism is bad?  I think, that in a perfect world, Communism would work.  But the image of Communism has been completely ruined by states like the USSR, China, and Vietnam who use the governments power to their advantage to spread propaganda and lies, and control the politics. 

The USA is just like the rest of the world, in terms of politics.  On the left, you have neo-liberals (communist or socialist, people like to call them) and on the right, you have fascists and neo-Nazis (such as the KKK and the Aryan nations).

Criticizing the far-left wingers for disagreeing with Neo-conservatives will not get us anywhere, and vice versa to the Right.

Yes an Army of freethinkers can be an effective army.  Members of my squadron are responsible for this website and we were awarded best Comm Squadron in AETC last year.

Also, please note that there are two main extremity's in politics: Communism and Fascism with Democracy in the middle.  Liberals favor Communism, where all people are supposedly equal in social status, wealth and pretty much everyone else.  This form of government has proven to be a failure due to the nature of men.  The other hand, Fascism, favored by Conservatives is based on a forum government where there are elite classes and peasant classes (in a nutshell).  Neither government is acceptable, but when you combine the strength's of both you get Democracy.  People have equal representation and a class system that is not defined by any one race, color or creed.  In order for a democracy to work properly you need a balance of both conservative and liberal leaders to keep each other in check.  Unfortunately, in recent years the balance has been shifted in the Conservative favor and the politics issued by the governing bodies depicts that (Tax cuts for the rich etc).  With this, Liberals cry and cry, but if the tables turned, Conservatives would bitch and Liberals would cry about them bitching.  Which is why people don't like Liberals.  They cry to damn much.

Souls wrote:

Have you ever listened to Randi Rhodes?  She is by far the worst of these nuts that are on Air America.  I heard that AA is about to go bankrupt.  Hopefully this hate/propoganda station will soon come to an end.

didn't she play guitar for ozzy ozbourn?

I know that when I hear the word "liberal" the first two names that pop into my head are Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin.....

Hitler was fascist, which is ultra-conservative, and Stalin was totalitarian which is "I wants it all now"-style.  Neither were liberal.

Differentiating between Stalin and Hitler is futile. Instead think of the political spectrum as a circle, ultimately taking the perceived qualities of respective ideologies too such extremes that they become virtually identical. However, most of what I just said in no way applies to the previous example because Stalin was most definitely in no way a Communist( especially since no true Communist state has or ever will exist, unless you believe in the possibility of egalitarian utopias), and on that plane of thought, Hitler was certainly not known for his socialist mindset. The scary comparison that I can think of is between the current United States and the Wiemar Republic, we aren't there yet, but I fear for what may result in the future.