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i was being sarcastic. you, a few posts up wrote;

You can't own ... really any weapon that is at all useful for defense.
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FatherTed wrote:

i was being sarcastic. you, a few posts up wrote;

You can't own ... really any weapon that is at all useful for defense.
Read my edit. A shotgun would be wonderful in my hands, not so much for someone more petite.
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can always use a different gauge, even my sister can handle a 20 gauge
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FatherTed wrote:

can always use a different gauge, even my sister can handle a 20 gauge
So now we need two shotguns! Not just one!

Or one handgun.
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shotguns are cheap, practical for other things (managing land f.ex), hunting and quite hard to go on a killing spree in a school with. it's worth mentioning we still can have hanguns, but that's mostly for target shooters or really rich people.
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which circles back to my 'Euros reverting to feudalism' argument.

I guess you never really left though. Napoleon was kind of a one-off thing.

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well no because initially there, you were implying we pretty much flat-out couldn't have guns. and we can. the main reason a lot of people over here don't have them is probably they feel secure enough not to need them. and the majority of gun owners i know bought them for work or recreational reasons.
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FatherTed wrote:

well no because initially there, you were implying we pretty much flat-out couldn't have guns. and we can. the main reason a lot of people over here don't have them is probably they feel secure enough not to need them. and the majority of gun owners i know bought them for work or recreational reasons.
Sounds like here. Only 25% of Americans own a gun of any type, and most of them live in rural areas, not cities. You're more likely to get hit by a bus in a city than get shot. I don't hear anyone trying to ban buses (except me, I hate the fucking things)
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i'll try to take some pictures of me playing with shotguns next time i get a chance to prove we're not all freedom hating serfs though
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FatherTed wrote:

i'll try to take some pictures of me playing with shotguns next time i get a chance to prove we're not all freedom hating serfs though
And next week when I'm in Pennsylvania I'll take some pictures of me shooting an AK-47
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rather have a over under 8/12/20 bore than an AK
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FatherTed wrote:

rather have a over under 8/12/20 bore than an AK
I'll be trap shooting as well Remington 870s
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Jay wrote:

FatherTed wrote:

this just in, shotguns are bad for home defense
They're quite good actually. If you use a smaller shot they won't penetrate walls which keeps innocents safe.

That said, not everyone can use a shotgun. They're big, heavy, and bulky with a huge kick. My fiancee would probably get knocked down shooting one. A handgun would make a lot more sense for her when it comes to defending our home.
A .410 shotgun is pretty mild, a handgun bullet will go through multiple walls.
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not a .22
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Depends on the wall, but .22lr is highly penetrative, not that a .22 is really practical for self defence.
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from personal experience i could tell you that 9 times out of 10, a .22lr will not even pass through a dictionary
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Which is still different from pentrating drywall and very different from a .410.
.22lr can travel kilometres and still be deadly.
From personal experience .357 magnum typically won't go through a telephone directory, its still immensely powerful and more penetrative than .44 magnum, .32 will sometimes penetrate further than both of these.

Most Euros can own hanguns BTW, just not Britain - except Northern Ireland....

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