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2011-12-30 11:37:21

#4401

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5827

I am not a fan of heavily regulated economies. I am also a pretty nice guy.

I find it funny you are telling I think I am smart considering you talking about stuff you know nothing about is becoming legendary. Hegelian philosophy expert.

You forgot to answer two things from the last page btw.

2011-12-30 11:39:06

#4402

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5599|London, England

At this point I don't give a fuck. I'm not your personal debater. I've told you before that I dislike you and I was serious about it. Go back to arguing with uzique, talking to you is utterly pointless.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2011-12-30 11:41:24

#4403

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5827

So everyone agrees then? Ron Paul does suck shit.

2011-12-30 11:44:26

#4404

eleven bravo: Member; +1,399|5500|foggy bottom

I agree

Tu Stultus Es

2011-12-30 11:44:46

#4405

RTHKI: mmmf mmmf mmmf; +1,741|6978|Cinncinatti

how does one suck shit

2011-12-30 11:45:18

#4406

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5599|London, England

RTHKI wrote:
how does one suck shit

He falls outside of what is taught as correct for poli sci majors.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2011-12-30 11:59:10

#4407

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5827

John is just mad pol sci majors know more of what they are talking about than he does.

2011-12-30 14:17:08

#4408

RTHKI: mmmf mmmf mmmf; +1,741|6978|Cinncinatti

i was a poli sci major then i wanted a job

2011-12-30 14:58:02

#4409

KEN-JENNINGS: I am all that is MOD!; +2,979|6873|949

Im a poli sci major and I have a decently paying job. It's completely unrelated to political science but I wanted to study what I enjoy.

Getting a degree in business or some Peripheral is the most vapid thing you can do, in my opinion.

2011-12-30 15:01:01

#4410

Hurricane2k9: Pendulous Sweaty Balls; +1,538|5943|College Park, MD

MIS major

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2011-12-30 16:17:20

#4411

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6652|'Murka

Dilbert_X wrote:
FEOS wrote:
saying that "military options are on the table" simply means that you are not removing one of the national instruments of power.
Bullshit, are "military options on the table" to resolve the yuan valuation dispute with China?

Saying "military options are on the table" is an overt threat of military attack.

Bush did not attack Iraq at the first opportunity.
The first time he had a fraction of an excuse then, he had it in mind to do so well before being elected, as did his advisors.
And he did talk quite openly about attacking Iraq--after the geopolitical and security situation changed post-9/11
Just as Bush and Cheney did before and various politicians are doing now - including Obama and Clinton.

Iran is going the way of Iraq, ever tigthening sanctions ever failing to achieve anything except punish the civilian population, eventually they and the US will become desperate and it will blow up into another war over oil, Israel and the failing dominance of the US dollar.

The plans for the Iraq invasion have been declassified. If you don't believe WMDs were the central reason for it, those plans will sorely disappoint you.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2011-12-30 16:19:23

#4412

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6652|'Murka

AussieReaper wrote:
FEOS wrote:
AussieReaper wrote:

How is threats and the promise of war going to make Iran think it doesn't need to defend itself?

Sabre rattling gets you nothing. Label Iran a member of the axis of evil then wonder why they feel threatened. That's gotta be the dumbest move possible.
How is saying "not taking military options off the table" now the same thing as "threats and the promise of going to war"?

Oh, I know how: IT FUCKING ISN'T.

Considering we've been engaging Iran diplomatically for the past 2+ years on this, along with Europe and the GCC and they've been giving the world the finger...not a lot of options left.
Guess you've chosen to ignore it, but the GOP frontrunners are talking up attacking Iran. Some even suggesting a pre-emptive strike if they believe Iran are close to nuclear weapons.

Which is bound to go well. The reason you went into Iraq was the WMD's too.

Strikes against specific facilities/sites =/= invasion.

As to "ignore": have you not read a single thing I've posted in the topic? Seems as if you're the one doing the ignoring, tbh.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2011-12-30 18:37:50

#4413

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,815|6347|eXtreme to the maX

FEOS wrote:
The plans for the Iraq invasion have been declassified. If you don't believe WMDs were the central reason for it, those plans will sorely disappoint you.

The plans as provided to the military by the politicians.

Fuck Israel

2011-12-30 21:38:25

#4414

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5827

I don't see why you guys are so distressed by some political posturing from a bunch of candidates. Our economy is too shaky for a war right now and after Iraq people won't happily sign off on anymore foreign adventures in the middle east. Besides the President couldn't start a war by himself if he wanted to. Those Generals who have have spent lifetimes in the military have as much say in it as the President. Our military bureaucracy is full of smart guys who realize that we couldn't handle a war in the sandpit right now.

2011-12-30 21:41:31

#4415

eleven bravo: Member; +1,399|5500|foggy bottom

Macbeth wrote:
I don't see why you guys are so distressed by some political posturing from a bunch of candidates. Our economy is too shaky for a war right now and after Iraq people won't happily sign off on anymore foreign adventures in the middle east. Besides the President couldn't start a war by himself if he wanted to. Those Generals who have have spent lifetimes in the military have as much say in it as the President. Our military bureaucracy is full of smart guys who realize that we couldn't handle a war in the sandpit right now.

i would agree with this except I saw everything you are describing as impossible happen in 2003.

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Tu Stultus Es

2011-12-31 04:14:27

#4416

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,815|6347|eXtreme to the maX

Macbeth wrote:
I don't see why you guys are so distressed by some political posturing from a bunch of candidates. Our economy is too shaky for a war right now

You know WW2 started during the Great Depression?

after Iraq people won't happily sign off on anymore foreign adventures in the middle east.

Yeah they would, because so many of the people have been bought into the idea that Israel must be 'defended' at all costs, along with the American 'way of life' ie 8mpg SUVs and $3/gal gas.

Besides the President couldn't start a war by himself if he wanted to.

Of course he could, it wouldn't start as a 'war', it would start as a 'strategic strike'.

Those Generals who have have spent lifetimes in the military have as much say in it as the President.

They have no say whatever, they're subordinate to the President, they advise, they don't get to vote

Our military bureaucracy is full of smart guys .

You're hilarious

who realize that we couldn't handle a war in the sandpit right now

A couple of waves of B52s dropping DU tipped bunker busters is perfectly manageable. What happens afterwards maybe less so - the Neo-Cons don't give a shit about that, "bring it on" remember?

Fuck Israel

2011-12-31 05:33:11

#4417

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,053|7013|PNW

Dilbert_X wrote:
You know WW2 started during the Great Depression?

I know we were anything but ready for it.

2011-12-31 07:02:25

#4418

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6652|'Murka

Dilbert_X wrote:
FEOS wrote:
The plans for the Iraq invasion have been declassified. If you don't believe WMDs were the central reason for it, those plans will sorely disappoint you.
The plans as provided to the military by the politicians.

You truly are delusional.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2011-12-31 07:07:12

#4419

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6652|'Murka

Dilbert_X wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
Those Generals who have have spent lifetimes in the military have as much say in it as the President.
They have no say whatever, they're subordinate to the President, they advise, they don't get to vote.

Out of that entire wall of nonsense, I found something I agree with.

The military advised against Iraq in general and the approach/assumptions that were forced upon them specifically (see Shenseki et al).

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2011-12-31 15:21:12

#4420

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,815|6347|eXtreme to the maX

FEOS wrote:
Dilbert_X wrote:
The plans as provided to the military by the politicians.
You truly are delusional.

FEOS wrote:
Dilbert_X wrote:
They have no say whatever, they're subordinate to the President, they advise, they don't get to vote.
The military advised against Iraq in general and the approach/assumptions that were forced upon them specifically (see Shenseki et al).

You're contradicting yourself right there.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2011-12-31 15:23:01)

Fuck Israel

2011-12-31 15:22:22

#4421

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6652|'Murka

Dilbert_X wrote:
FEOS wrote:
Dilbert_X wrote:
The plans as provided to the military by the politicians.
You truly are delusional.

So you didn't bother to visit the site and review the plans, then.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2011-12-31 16:00:31

#4422

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,815|6347|eXtreme to the maX

What site, and is there any point?

Fuck Israel

2011-12-31 19:42:24

#4423

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6652|'Murka

Dilbert_X wrote:
What site, and is there any point?

Probably not, considering the audience.

It would require you to view facts objectively...something you are seemingly incapable of doing.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2011-12-31 23:26:10

#4424

Spearhead: Gulf coast redneck hippy; +731|6931|Tampa Bay Florida

eleven bravo wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
I don't see why you guys are so distressed by some political posturing from a bunch of candidates. Our economy is too shaky for a war right now and after Iraq people won't happily sign off on anymore foreign adventures in the middle east. Besides the President couldn't start a war by himself if he wanted to. Those Generals who have have spent lifetimes in the military have as much say in it as the President. Our military bureaucracy is full of smart guys who realize that we couldn't handle a war in the sandpit right now.
i would agree with this except I saw everything you are describing as impossible happen in 2003.

Surely we would only do a few airstrikes here and there right? I mean, same could be said for Libya.....

2011-12-31 23:31:00

#4425

Spearhead: Gulf coast redneck hippy; +731|6931|Tampa Bay Florida

Jay, one question about Ron Paul (My father + I am about to switch to Republican party so I can vote for him in Florida).

What difference would he make at the executive branch? Sure, he is commander in chief of the armed forces and all, but when it comes to treaties, foreign policy, etc, the "hands off" approach might get a bit more complicated...

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