I mean there is a huge population of Muslims in Great Britian, France also has a substantial population and rather than following the laws of the land they seek to implement their own form of justice.Macbeth wrote:
I don't know what you mean about the Islamic population of Britain but regarding Sharia law- it is also in some U.S. states courts. Well a lot of states actually. In a civil case if both sides agree to it then the case can go forward according to Sharia. I am pretty sure Jews have something similar.HudsonFalcon wrote:
I don't see the logic in this since Great Britian has a huge Islamic population. Isn't Sharia Law even implemented in their courts?
they can have their own civil courts for trivial stuff, same for jews/christians/flying spaghetti monster followers. anything actually criminal is still subject to normal lawHudsonFalcon wrote:
I mean there is a huge population of Muslims in Great Britian, France also has a substantial population and rather than following the laws of the land they seek to implement their own form of justice.Macbeth wrote:
I don't know what you mean about the Islamic population of Britain but regarding Sharia law- it is also in some U.S. states courts. Well a lot of states actually. In a civil case if both sides agree to it then the case can go forward according to Sharia. I am pretty sure Jews have something similar.HudsonFalcon wrote:
I don't see the logic in this since Great Britian has a huge Islamic population. Isn't Sharia Law even implemented in their courts?
also if by huge population you mean 2.8% then well yes
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I reread the the thread a few times and I still don't know where that came from but anyway...HudsonFalcon wrote:
I mean there is a huge population of Muslims in Great Britian, France also has a substantial population and rather than following the laws of the land they seek to implement their own form of justice.Macbeth wrote:
I don't know what you mean about the Islamic population of Britain but regarding Sharia law- it is also in some U.S. states courts. Well a lot of states actually. In a civil case if both sides agree to it then the case can go forward according to Sharia. I am pretty sure Jews have something similar.HudsonFalcon wrote:
I don't see the logic in this since Great Britian has a huge Islamic population. Isn't Sharia Law even implemented in their courts?
I don't live in either if those two countries but I am aware of their large Muslim population. I think the whole 'they want to live by Sharia' thing is over stated. I doubt most of the Muslims in either of those countries want to live under Sharia and even if they did they are still way too small compared to the natives to make a difference.
read up maccyb
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France is like 10% IIRC. Compared to our less than 1% you guys have a lot. My post agreed with yours that the population of natives still overawe their Muslim immigrants.FatherTed wrote:
read up maccyb
france is between 6-8%. sounds big compared to america sure, but remember that both of these countries (in UK/GB collection of countries) have a long history of owning the shit out of other countries hence a more diverse population.
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We owned blacks, Cubans, Filipinos, and still own Puerto Ricans. So I guess there is something to that though other countries have pushed out their colonial conquest. I am looking at you Spain and Russia. As far as the colonial countries go I think it's a badge of honour in a way to tolerate people from former colonies. But that's my wanky liberal side..
I think geography plays a big part too. We are far removed from the middle east and only get people who want to be here ( hence why I can't say anything bad about the U.S. Muslim population). You guys tend to get refugees in the same way we get refugees from Mexico. You guys also seem to have "issues" with your Muslims like we have "issues" with our Mexicans. It's all relative.
I think geography plays a big part too. We are far removed from the middle east and only get people who want to be here ( hence why I can't say anything bad about the U.S. Muslim population). You guys tend to get refugees in the same way we get refugees from Mexico. You guys also seem to have "issues" with your Muslims like we have "issues" with our Mexicans. It's all relative.
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Yeah I'm sorry it's definitely not you I've been working way too much and something got lost in translation.Macbeth wrote:
I reread the the thread a few times and I still don't know where that came from but anyway...HudsonFalcon wrote:
I mean there is a huge population of Muslims in Great Britian, France also has a substantial population and rather than following the laws of the land they seek to implement their own form of justice.Macbeth wrote:
I don't know what you mean about the Islamic population of Britain but regarding Sharia law- it is also in some U.S. states courts. Well a lot of states actually. In a civil case if both sides agree to it then the case can go forward according to Sharia. I am pretty sure Jews have something similar.
I don't live in either if those two countries but I am aware of their large Muslim population. I think the whole 'they want to live by Sharia' thing is over stated. I doubt most of the Muslims in either of those countries want to live under Sharia and even if they did they are still way too small compared to the natives to make a difference.
For me it's just hard to understand why students, of all people, who are the main source for new thinking and ideas would storm the embassy of a country who by all measures has been a safe haven for the people of Islam and have even gone as far as using Sharia Law as a legal measure. However from glancing at an article about the incident it stated the students were "hard lined Iranians" which I assume means pro-government and thus anti-west, anti-freedom, etc.
eh. It could have been just a small group thing like Occupy WS (not reflective of the whole mass if students like OWS). Or it could have been provoked or encouraged by the government. The latter wouldn't surprise me.HudsonFalcon wrote:
Yeah I'm sorry it's definitely not you I've been working way too much and something got lost in translation.Macbeth wrote:
I reread the the thread a few times and I still don't know where that came from but anyway...HudsonFalcon wrote:
I mean there is a huge population of Muslims in Great Britian, France also has a substantial population and rather than following the laws of the land they seek to implement their own form of justice.
I don't live in either if those two countries but I am aware of their large Muslim population. I think the whole 'they want to live by Sharia' thing is over stated. I doubt most of the Muslims in either of those countries want to live under Sharia and even if they did they are still way too small compared to the natives to make a difference.
For me it's just hard to understand why students, of all people, who are the main source for new thinking and ideas would storm the embassy of a country who by all measures has been a safe haven for the people of Islam and have even gone as far as using Sharia Law as a legal measure. However from glancing at an article about the incident it stated the students were "hard lined Iranians" which I assume means pro-government and thus anti-west, anti-freedom, etc.
Iranian people and students aren't as backwards as people will tend to believe because of incidents like this. Their government and military is the problem. For instance
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/blo … _blog.html
It's chic to have dogs in Iran but the government doesn't like them.
it's because students and the youth can easily be hijacked by the right as well. students aren't always marxist progressives getting shot on us campuses, you know. check out these guys, for example:HudsonFalcon wrote:
Yeah I'm sorry it's definitely not you I've been working way too much and something got lost in translation.Macbeth wrote:
I reread the the thread a few times and I still don't know where that came from but anyway...HudsonFalcon wrote:
I mean there is a huge population of Muslims in Great Britian, France also has a substantial population and rather than following the laws of the land they seek to implement their own form of justice.
I don't live in either if those two countries but I am aware of their large Muslim population. I think the whole 'they want to live by Sharia' thing is over stated. I doubt most of the Muslims in either of those countries want to live under Sharia and even if they did they are still way too small compared to the natives to make a difference.
For me it's just hard to understand why students, of all people, who are the main source for new thinking and ideas would storm the embassy of a country who by all measures has been a safe haven for the people of Islam and have even gone as far as using Sharia Law as a legal measure. However from glancing at an article about the incident it stated the students were "hard lined Iranians" which I assume means pro-government and thus anti-west, anti-freedom, etc.
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^Agreed. I have no doubt that a majority of the Iranian people, especially the youth, have a difference of opinion from their leaders.
I read that as HAW BEEBOP.
Wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be a "protest" padded out by Basij tbh
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i cant imagine people can do this in tehran without the govt knowing tbh
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that being said i think the whole embassy stuff is downright stupid and useless
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at least obama called it the english embassy
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You're saying if Israel started a war America wouldn't be right behind them?Chardee MacDennis wrote:
fyi i do not know what you are thinking but no US leader will go to war right now. that i can pretty much safely guarantee you. as for the brits and jewish terrorists...i dunno.
He got that wrong.at least obama called it the english embassy
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yes that is what i am saying.Dilbert_X wrote:
You're saying if Israel started a war America wouldn't be right behind them?
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I bet they would, Obama has completely backed down and given in to everything Netanyahu has demanded so far, while increasing the rhetoric against Iran - while Pakistan is killing NATO troops Americans included, somehwt more than Iran has ever done or is likely to do.
Israel's priorities are the US President's prioirites it seems.
Iraq was first, Iran is next.
Israel's priorities are the US President's prioirites it seems.
Iraq was first, Iran is next.
Fuck Israel
nah. congress would not allow it. and if the prez said lets go do it anyway...you can pretty much turn off the campaign commercials. to me it would be like WWII. it would take some sort of action here to get us going there.
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Hmm. You don't think a repub congress would be seriously tempted to go in lockstep with Israel?
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nope. they want to get elected. bad timing for israel i guess.Spark wrote:
Hmm. You don't think a repub congress would be seriously tempted to go in lockstep with Israel?
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I don't see the problem, a few days of cruise missile strikes and B1Bs dropping bunker busters all over Iran would hardly be an issue, its not as if there would be a ground war.
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i agree they would do a no fly zone illegal libya thing sure. but, just like libya that aint a war....lulzDilbert_X wrote:
I don't see the problem, a few days of cruise missile strikes and B1Bs dropping bunker busters all over Iran would hardly be an issue, its not as if there would be a ground war.
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elected by who though? how popular is a strongly pro-israel position in america, and specifically in repub-leaning districts?Chardee MacDennis wrote:
nope. they want to get elected. bad timing for israel i guess.Spark wrote:
Hmm. You don't think a repub congress would be seriously tempted to go in lockstep with Israel?
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
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