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please show me where the people on those videos are resisting. the guy holding the flag did not resist arrest at all. he didn't even shout or speak a word. total silence. he was still rough-handled and some onlookers still got swiped at. please watch the videos in question or at least present videos of your own so we have reference. i know they're far from the best 'evidence' but at least we can ground the discussion in something other than hypotheticals.

on the same stroke cybargs i could say i hate your "zomgs i iz a cultural and political conservative" when you're like 19 years old and still in college. why are you acting like a 40 year old grumbling republican? it seems many people on both sides of this debate have questionable authenticity. personally i don't understand why you're pissing and moaning about protestors when a) you've never had a job or a big enough financial stake in society to be bothered by 'anti-capitalist' sentiment and b) the things these people protest about only serve to benefit you.

Uzique wrote:

on the same stroke cybargs i could say i hate your "zomgs i iz a cultural and political conservative" when you're like 19 years old and still in college. why are you acting like a 40 year old grumbling republican? it seems many people on both sides of this debate have questionable authenticity. personally i don't understand why you're pissing and moaning about protestors when a) you've never had a job or a big enough financial stake in society to be bothered by 'anti-capitalist' sentiment and b) the things these people protest about only serve to benefit you.

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Uzique wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

Uzique wrote:

on the same stroke cybargs i could say i hate your "zomgs i iz a cultural and political conservative" when you're like 19 years old and still in college. why are you acting like a 40 year old grumbling republican? it seems many people on both sides of this debate have questionable authenticity. personally i don't understand why you're pissing and moaning about protestors when a) you've never had a job or a big enough financial stake in society to be bothered by 'anti-capitalist' sentiment and b) the things these people protest about only serve to benefit you.

how would these dickheads protests serve my interest.

aren't half the protestors getting roughed up by police protesting against tuition fee increases and student debts? i know in the uk the mass protest movement was in direct reaction to tuition fee restructuring. they're against the capitalist society that stacks the young generation with huge debts, sharkish loans/finance set-ups, and provides them with less prospects to do even as well as their parents did, opportunity-wise, a whole generation ago. that's what i've gathered, anyway. how exactly does that harm you? why are you acting like some pissy texan oil baron? why are you grumbling like a 40-something lowing blue-collar boy? you're looking down on people that you have no credibility to look down upon.

raising taxes would pretty much affect my situation, so no they dont serve my interests. and my tuition fees are fine thnx. if you end up with 100k with debt before the age of 21, youre pretty fucking retarded to keep attending the same school.

Uzique wrote:

you're pretty retarded if you can't see the argument or rationale behind getting saddled with 100k debt. if you're capable of going to these good schools and you can't afford to pay the money up front, you need to get a loan. if you don't take that stretch, some other rich kid with wealthy parents will take your spot, and you'll be a janitor for the rest of your life. you have to get into big debts to become qualified enough to access any decent-level graduate work nowadays. that's the way the graduate job market works. save money and get a cheaper community college degree and you're less employable.

again my point is i don't see why you're adopting such a smarmy attitude. these people may be foolish for being idealists, naive, maybe just plain hippies and eco-warriors and the same sort of left-leaning radical that is kinda ridiculous in this day and age. but you have no interests, financial or political, that should put you in such direct opposition to them. indifference, maybe. hatred... why?

They're private schools and lots of them are pretty shitty. What's wrong with the state schools they can go to? they're not any worst if not better than most private schools. Shit I could do the same in Australia and pay 50k a year in a shitty school, or i could do what im doing and pay only 7k a year with a better education. If it's really that expensive you might as well work for a few years first then go to uni. I do have financial interests that are direct opposite to them, mo taxes less money fo me. then again theyre in america and the one in sydney and melbourne failed baaaaaaaaaaaaad.

Jay wrote:

Uzique wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

how would these dickheads protests serve my interest.

aren't half the protestors getting roughed up by police protesting against tuition fee increases and student debts? i know in the uk the mass protest movement was in direct reaction to tuition fee restructuring. they're against the capitalist society that stacks the young generation with huge debts, sharkish loans/finance set-ups, and provides them with less prospects to do even as well as their parents did, opportunity-wise, a whole generation ago. that's what i've gathered, anyway. how exactly does that harm you? why are you acting like some pissy texan oil baron? why are you grumbling like a 40-something lowing blue-collar boy? you're looking down on people that you have no credibility to look down upon.

It's not about the situation you're in now, but the situation you plan on being in down the road. If you have hopes of being wealthy someday you'd be an idiot to advocate higher taxes. So, to turn that around on you, why would a 20 something with their whole life ahead of them throw in the towel and scream for Marxism? Something is missing internally. They have no hope, or they have no drive, or they have no talent. Who gives up so early in life?

i am 99%

perhaps they're marxists now because all they have had to go on throughout their own life's experience is a systematic failure and downward spiral in global capitalism. now especially with global issues being widely acknowledged such as population growth and climate change, capitalism seems like a desperately flawed ideology with which to cope. it's far too short-sighted and self-interested. it's no wonder that academically aware students in liberal lefty colleges are seeing the benefits of 'another way'. isn't that what universities have always been about in america, to a degree? your mainstream culture is much more conservative than many other democracies, so it's pretty much up to the students and the college campuses to keep revolutionary, progressive politics alive (which has pretty much been a barely glowing ember since the 60's).

All this occupy crap is, is the first world reaction to the Arab spring.

Camping out for 2 months in Zuccoti park isn't going to get anything done.

Cybargs wrote:

Uzique wrote:

perhaps they're marxists now because all they have had to go on throughout their own life's experience is a systematic failure and downward spiral in global capitalism. now especially with global issues being widely acknowledged such as population growth and climate change, capitalism seems like a desperately flawed ideology with which to cope. it's far too short-sighted and self-interested. it's no wonder that academically aware students in liberal lefty colleges are seeing the benefits of 'another way'. isn't that what universities have always been about in america, to a degree? your mainstream culture is much more conservative than many other democracies, so it's pretty much up to the students and the college campuses to keep revolutionary, progressive politics alive (which has pretty much been a barely glowing ember since the 60's).

their solutions to the issue doesn't solve it at all, can't exactly "forgive all student debt." thats fucking retarded.

that's the main problem, sure. but it doesn't mean all of the sentiment is bullshit. finding a solution prolly will be impossible for them. but it doesn't make them retarded for feeling a certain way about things.

Jay wrote:

It's not about the situation you're in now, but the situation you plan on being in down the road. If you have hopes of being wealthy someday you'd be an idiot to advocate higher taxes. So, to turn that around on you, why would a 20 something with their whole life ahead of them throw in the towel and scream for Marxism? Something is missing internally. They have no hope, or they have no drive, or they have no talent. Who gives up so early in life?

If that is really what you think OWS is about then you are either being obtuse or have not payed much attention. Anyone who is behind this movement is not the type to have their life aimed at "being wealthy someday" (what a shit aspiration btw). The movement is about a fairer system that doesn't saddle the majority with debt and give the minority excessive wealth. Associating things like "no talent, no drive" with this movement is extremely inaccurate as well - I am not going to go looking for examples but there are plenty of good ones, people who have 100k+ debts after law/med school and can't find jobs.

You don't have to support OWS to properly understand what they are protesting about - it has nothing to do with being lazy, being on welfare, doing womens studies degrees. These are all talking points established by right-wing commentators (ie. the ones who are politically against the movement) to diminish OWS and "other" them. I am not trying to make anyone change sides or support OWS I just can't stand all the completely inaccurate assertions being made in this thread.

TimmmmaaaaH wrote:

Jay wrote:

It's not about the situation you're in now, but the situation you plan on being in down the road. If you have hopes of being wealthy someday you'd be an idiot to advocate higher taxes. So, to turn that around on you, why would a 20 something with their whole life ahead of them throw in the towel and scream for Marxism? Something is missing internally. They have no hope, or they have no drive, or they have no talent. Who gives up so early in life?

If that is really what you think OWS is about then you are either being obtuse or have not payed much attention. Anyone who is behind this movement is not the type to have their life aimed at "being wealthy someday" (what a shit aspiration btw). The movement is about a fairer system that doesn't saddle the majority with debt and give the minority excessive wealth. Associating things like "no talent, no drive" with this movement is extremely inaccurate as well - I am not going to go looking for examples but there are plenty of good ones, people who have 100k+ debts after law/med school and can't find jobs.

You don't have to support OWS to properly understand what they are protesting about - it has nothing to do with being lazy, being on welfare, doing womens studies degrees. These are all talking points established by right-wing commentators (ie. the ones who are politically against the movement) to diminish OWS and "other" them. I am not trying to make anyone change sides or support OWS I just can't stand all the completely inaccurate assertions being made in this thread.

majority of 100k+ debtors arent even in law or med school.

TimmmmaaaaH wrote:

Is that all you have to say about that entire post? The fact you can even manage to have a debt that large for just educating yourself is absurd anyway. Tertiary education used to be free in Australia and it is still very inexpensive - it is one of the few good things our government has managed.

The US has state schools where most people can go with cheapo tuition. Most expensive is probably the UCs and theyre 20k a year. + you can get grants and financial aid from schools. Besides most aussie schools are supported by international students anyway