Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6692
yeah haibai maybe look into being a philosopher in your spare time, too, i hear that's a neat hobby and gets you lots of chicks
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HaiBai
Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me
+304|5705|Bolingbrook, Illinois
thanks for shitting on my dreams
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6692
you're the one that came into this thread remarking that securing a top graduate career path after graduating with top honours from university was "pretty shitty". so cry more you faggot.
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Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5579|London, England

HaiBai wrote:

thanks for shitting on my dreams
Most people that fail in business do so because they don't know what they are doing. Take some business classes and train yourself to become hyper organized and fiscally disciplined.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
HaiBai
Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me
+304|5705|Bolingbrook, Illinois

Uzique wrote:

you're the one that came into this thread remarking that securing a top graduate career path after graduating with top honours from university was "pretty shitty". so cry more you faggot.
"pretty shitty"?

i never said that
Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
+1,538|5923|College Park, MD
learn some accounting
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HaiBai
Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me
+304|5705|Bolingbrook, Illinois

Jay wrote:

HaiBai wrote:

thanks for shitting on my dreams
Most people that fail in business do so because they don't know what they are doing. Take some business classes and train yourself to become hyper organized and fiscally disciplined.
i'm sure i will.  the courses i've taken in high school have been business oriented and i plan on continuing that.  i'll probably end up minoring in business
HaiBai
Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me
+304|5705|Bolingbrook, Illinois

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

learn some accounting
already done

accounting 1 along with AP accounting
Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
+1,538|5923|College Park, MD
DEAD COLR will haunt my dreams forever
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Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
+1,538|5923|College Park, MD
i always found it weird that some high schools taught accounting though. we didn't have a single 'practical skills' class at my HS.
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HaiBai
Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me
+304|5705|Bolingbrook, Illinois

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

DEAD COLR will haunt my dreams forever
wtf.  i just googled that and it's a really helpful acronym.  they never taught us that

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

i always found it weird that some high schools taught accounting though. we didn't have a single 'practical skills' class at my HS.
what do you mean by practical skills?  cooking?
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5579|London, England
The camp my girl volunteers at had their annual budget meeting and she mentioned that they had a cost per camper chart. I was blown away because apparently this is the first year they've done that. No wonder this is their first year out of the red
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5579|London, England

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

i always found it weird that some high schools taught accounting though. we didn't have a single 'practical skills' class at my HS.
Neither did we. Pure classical education. Not even economics as an elective.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Macbeth
Banned
+2,444|5807

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

i always found it weird that some high schools taught accounting though. we didn't have a single 'practical skills' class at my HS.
Many years ago my highschool had a practical skills area that taught automotive mechanics and other stuff. Around the 90's they removed all of that and replaced them with art classes. There are two huge ceramics rooms used to be the place they would put cars on lifts and teach students how to work on them.

Some high schools still do that but they are usually in the lower income range. Rarely do you find schools that focus on practical skills in high income areas. 'Mericans are too good for it.
HaiBai
Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me
+304|5705|Bolingbrook, Illinois
oh ok, i see what you mean by practical skills now.  well anyway, i believe my high school is like the 25th biggest public high school in the nation.  we're also like in the top 3% academically and they offer every single AP class that is offered by the college board.  so i guess with 3500 students they need a huge variety of classes and etc.
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5579|London, England

Macbeth wrote:

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

i always found it weird that some high schools taught accounting though. we didn't have a single 'practical skills' class at my HS.
Many years ago my highschool had a practical skills area that taught automotive mechanics and other stuff. Around the 90's they removed all of that and replaced them with art classes. There are two huge ceramics rooms used to be the place they would put cars on lifts and teach students how to work on them.

Some high schools still do that but they are usually in the lower income range. Rarely do you find schools that focus on practical skills in high income areas. 'Mericans are too good for it.
art teachers are paid much less than shop teachers. That has a lot to do with it.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+796|6906|United States of America
We had some accounting/business classes at my high school that the people who would be going to college for business degrees did. However, one required class was Econ/AP Econ which seems rather strange. I've not used any of the shit I learned in that class to this day, but the Personal Finance elective I took this past semester actually taught me quite a lot of useful monetary things.
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6692

Jay wrote:

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

i always found it weird that some high schools taught accounting though. we didn't have a single 'practical skills' class at my HS.
Neither did we. Pure classical education. Not even economics as an elective.
the way higher education should be. leave vocational training to vocational colleges and polytechnics. keep business-focussed wankery out of academic research institutions, it's pointless. i am hugely against the marketisation of universities and the increasing change of a degree's worth from a humanistic education and process of refinement to a crude middle-management c.v. requirement. though i do agree that pre-college education should definitely offer the 'practical' path-way to people less intellectually inclined. you've got to provide an education of some sort for everyone.

Last edited by Uzique (2011-11-06 10:41:13)

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Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5579|London, England

Uzique wrote:

Jay wrote:

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

i always found it weird that some high schools taught accounting though. we didn't have a single 'practical skills' class at my HS.
Neither did we. Pure classical education. Not even economics as an elective.
the way higher education should be. leave vocational training to vocational colleges and polytechnics. keep business-focussed wankery out of academic research institutions, it's pointless. i am hugely against the marketisation of universities and the increasing change of a degree's worth from a humanistic education and process of refinement to a crude middle-management c.v. requirement. though i do agree that pre-college education should definitely offer the 'practical' path-way to people less intellectually inclined. you've got to provide an education of some sort for everyone.
Yes, college should be the playground for the spawn of the leisure class. They should bring back the Gentleman's C too.

Probably the dumbest opinion you hold, honestly.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6692
i'm not saying there shouldn't be a college-level education for people that aren't doing academic things, i'm just saying they should be kept institutionally separate. the key part of my opinion is "academic research institutions". proper universities should be places of knowledge for knowledge's sake, for the advancement of research and human learning. when you start offering business courses and degrees in management you're not furthering any epistemic goal, at all. you're just training future corporate ants. that's not what a university is classically for, in my view. here in the uk we used to have two types of higher-education institution: the polytechnic, and the university. the polytechnic was more like a community college, with courses focussed on trades, skills, vocational courses, etc. the universities were the ivory towers. that's a good division from an institutional and managerial point-of-view. for example, here at holloway we've had a massive media furore with all sorts of major public figures like stephen fry and head of classics at cambridge coming out to defend our classics & philosophy department. why? our institution is now ran by a board of management graduates and i.t. industry specialists that want to axe one of europe's top classics departments to open a new business school for 3-times-the-fee-paying asian kids. it fucks with the principles of university education to have business-oriented and academic-oriented departments under the same budget. because of course one has a higher financial return, from a business point of view. but that's not the core point of universities.
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Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
+1,538|5923|College Park, MD
HaiBai, I meant accounting. Like Jay said, not even an econ class (although they added it for seniors a year after I graduated lawl). We went to pretty similar schools though.
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Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5579|London, England

Uzique wrote:

i'm not saying there shouldn't be a college-level education for people that aren't doing academic things, i'm just saying they should be kept institutionally separate. the key part of my opinion is "academic research institutions". proper universities should be places of knowledge for knowledge's sake, for the advancement of research and human learning. when you start offering business courses and degrees in management you're not furthering any epistemic goal, at all. you're just training future corporate ants. that's not what a university is classically for, in my view. here in the uk we used to have two types of higher-education institution: the polytechnic, and the university. the polytechnic was more like a community college, with courses focussed on trades, skills, vocational courses, etc. the universities were the ivory towers. that's a good division from an institutional and managerial point-of-view. for example, here at holloway we've had a massive media furore with all sorts of major public figures like stephen fry and head of classics at cambridge coming out to defend our classics & philosophy department. why? our institution is now ran by a board of management graduates and i.t. industry specialists that want to axe one of europe's top classics departments to open a new business school for 3-times-the-fee-paying asian kids. it fucks with the principles of university education to have business-oriented and academic-oriented departments under the same budget. because of course one has a higher financial return, from a business point of view. but that's not the core point of universities.
Then create an institution where your dream is realized and your students never have to encounter a jock business major. Good luck attracting students and funding.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Macbeth
Banned
+2,444|5807

The school I'm at, Rutgers, is adding a bunch of new buildings to it's main campus for business students. More bigger dorms just for more of them too. I hear at other schools they are doing the same. I don't think it's sustainable at all. There aren't enough jobs in the world for all the bussiness students they plan on pumping out. It's going to end up like law degrees. Those used to be the ticket to success but now...
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6692
we still do have those institutions. they're the red bricks and classical universities of the russell and 1994 group. but even they are eroding to the marketisation of higher-education. which imho is one of the mosts depressing things to happen during our generation. now youths feel squeezed to take some bullshit easy course in 'management' or 'hospitality services' or something because the crippling £35k debt has to lead to a directly applicable career option. pssht.
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Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
+1,538|5923|College Park, MD
Here they've limited the amount of people who can enroll in certain programs, including business. I'm applying for the damn major right now, waiting to hear back -_-
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