Piracy is just using the internet?

2011-11-01 21:31:38

#26

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5418|Sydney

AussieReaper wrote:
Jaekus wrote:
1. When you sell something you obtained legally, it is in its physical form - CD, book, DVD, etc.
2. To seed you are making copies, ie. piracy. Unless you have a licence from the publisher to do this, it is considered illegal.
3. This is all pretty straight forward stuff, at least to me. I can't tell if you're trolling or genuinely don't understand.
1. I can sell something I obtained legally in electronic form, too.
2. To seed I'm not making copies. Another person is making the copy.

I'm not stealing anything if I purchased it legally and others obtain a copy. Whether I sell it to them or not.

1. Not legally, no.
2. You are the source of distribution, therefore you are generating piracy. Ever heard of Napster?

If you do not have a licence to distribute media, in whatever form, it remains illegal to download pirated media from the internet or assist others in obtaining said pirated media. Derp.

13urnzz wrote:
i'm guessing 'genuinely don't understand', because Reaper would never troll.

Well going by post above you might actually be correct.

Last edited by Jaekus (2011-11-01 21:38:49)

2011-11-01 21:53:21

#27

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5597|London, England

AussieReaper wrote:
Jaekus wrote:
1. When you sell something you obtained legally, it is in its physical form - CD, book, DVD, etc.
2. To seed you are making copies, ie. piracy. Unless you have a licence from the publisher to do this, it is considered illegal.
3. This is all pretty straight forward stuff, at least to me. I can't tell if you're trolling or genuinely don't understand.
1. I can sell something I obtained legally in electronic form, too.
2. To seed I'm not making copies. Another person is making the copy.

I'm not stealing anything if I purchased it legally and others obtain a copy. Whether I sell it to them or not.

Lol, that's like trying to claim innocence if you:

A) Bought (or borrowed) a book
B) Set up a scanner and computer
C) Provided unlimited paper and toner for printing
D) Invited your friends to come over to make unlimited copies for themselves

The guy that drives the getaway car is just as guilty of robbing the bank as the triggermen themselves.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2011-11-01 21:57:43

#28

AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6392|what

At worst it is removing the opportunity of sale to another person.

And if you want to look at this ethically, that person may not have taken that opportunity anyway.

2011-11-01 22:54:04

#29

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5418|Sydney

Try looking up "copyright infringement" sometime and come back to this when you have a better understanding.

2011-11-01 22:59:00

#30

AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6392|what

Jaekus wrote:
Try looking up "copyright infringement" sometime and come back to this when you have a better understanding.

For which country?

Or are you going to argue that US law should apply to me but Sweedish copyright law doesn't?

2011-11-01 22:59:22

#31

Hurricane2k9: Pendulous Sweaty Balls; +1,538|5941|College Park, MD

Australian ought to

https://static.bf2s.com/files/user/36793/marylandsig.jpg

2011-11-01 22:59:39

#32

Hurricane2k9: Pendulous Sweaty Balls; +1,538|5941|College Park, MD

leave it to a penal colony member to justify his heinous crimes

2011-11-01 23:43:54

#33

Adams_BJ: Russian warship, go fuck yourself; +2,054|6862|Little Bentcock

Hurricane2k9 wrote:
leave it to a penal colony member to justify his heinous crimes

heinous?

2011-11-01 23:45:12

#34

Shahter: Zee Ruskie; +295|7015|Moscow, Russia

Macbeth wrote:
EULA.

/end of discussion

if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.

2011-11-02 00:03:46

#35

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,053|7011|PNW

Yeah, I know people who were abused. Doubt I'll bring this to their attention.

AussieReaper wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
People who torrent stuff are receiving a product without paying for it against the wishes of the owner. That is pretty much stealing.

What exactly am I stealing here?

A "personal license," to put it simply. Important to consider when you're selling easily-duplicated media. Even if you wouldn't buy the thing anyway, there's still the principle issue of enjoying something that should have cost you something.

2011-11-02 01:29:14

#36

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5418|Sydney

AussieReaper wrote:
Jaekus wrote:
Try looking up "copyright infringement" sometime and come back to this when you have a better understanding.
For which country?

Or are you going to argue that US law should apply to me but Sweedish copyright law doesn't?

You live in Australia. Why would Swedish law apply to you when international copyright here applies regardless of where the copyrighted material was produced?

Last edited by Jaekus (2011-11-02 03:22:58)

2011-11-02 03:00:58

#37

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6650|'Murka

Cybargs wrote:
Spark wrote:
sorry but just reading that, i can't help but think that the only dickhead who deserves a belting in this piece is the judge.
its arkansas

Aransas =/= Arkansas.

Aransas is in Texas, IIRC. Near the coast.

OT: Wasn't there a ruling recently that said RIAA and company couldn't collect those ridiculous settlements from downloaders/pirates because there wasn't an instance of public playing of the piece?

Can't find it anywhere...

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― Albert Einstein
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2011-11-02 04:57:57

#38

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,815|6345|eXtreme to the maX

AussieReaper wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
People who torrent stuff are receiving a product without paying for it against the wishes of the owner. That is pretty much stealing.

What exactly am I stealing here?

Royalties due to the originator.

Fuck Israel

2011-11-02 06:05:41

#39

13urnzz: Banned; +5,830|6737

Dilbert_X wrote:
AussieReaper wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
People who torrent stuff are receiving a product without paying for it against the wishes of the owner. That is pretty much stealing.

What exactly am I stealing here?
Royalties due to the originator.

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 8#p3683218

2011-11-02 06:20:48

#40

Vilham: Say wat!?; +580|7006|UK

AussieReaper wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
People who torrent stuff are receiving a product without paying for it against the wishes of the owner. That is pretty much stealing.

What exactly am I stealing here?

Indeed it is piracy and piracy is a crime. Your point?

2011-11-02 09:23:04

#41

globefish23: sophisticated slacker; +334|6563|Graz, Austria

Ah, this topic again.

Piracy = Is an act of robbery and/or criminal violence at sea. Arrrgh!
Theft/stealing = The illegal taking of another person's property without that person's permission or consent.
Copyright infringement = The unauthorized or prohibited use of works under copyright, infringing the copyright holder's exclusive rights, such as the right to reproduce or perform the copyrighted work, or to make derivative works.

Furthermore, many countries have the right for a private, non-commercial copy (i.e. among family and friends), which means that it's a massive grey area, since you basically are friends with everyone on the internet. Heck, generation Facebook gave us hundreds of "friends".

Here in Austria, the right for a private copy even goes so far that it doesn't matter from which source you obtain the copy.
As long as I'm not the one who is distributing the copy with out consent of the license holder, it's completely legal.
This also adds another grey area, because with protocols like Bittorrent you're not exactly distributing a copy, rather small parts.

Moral of the story:
100+ year old laws simply won't work in today's connected world anymore.

2011-11-02 10:21:35

#42

Hurricane2k9: Pendulous Sweaty Balls; +1,538|5941|College Park, MD

Adams_BJ wrote:
Hurricane2k9 wrote:
leave it to a penal colony member to justify his heinous crimes
heinous?

egregious, worse than cybarg's vehicular manslaughter

2011-11-02 10:23:12

#43

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5825

globefish23 wrote:
Ah, this topic again.

Piracy = Is an act of robbery and/or criminal violence at sea. Arrrgh!
Theft/stealing = The illegal taking of another person's property without that person's permission or consent.
Copyright infringement = The unauthorized or prohibited use of works under copyright, infringing the copyright holder's exclusive rights, such as the right to reproduce or perform the copyrighted work, or to make derivative works.

Furthermore, many countries have the right for a private, non-commercial copy (i.e. among family and friends), which means that it's a massive grey area, since you basically are friends with everyone on the internet. Heck, generation Facebook gave us hundreds of "friends".

Here in Austria, the right for a private copy even goes so far that it doesn't matter from which source you obtain the copy.
As long as I'm not the one who is distributing the copy with out consent of the license holder, it's completely legal.
This also adds another grey area, because with protocols like Bittorrent you're not exactly distributing a copy, rather small parts.

Moral of the story:
100+ year old laws simply won't work in today's connected world anymore.

OP isn't debating law, it's debating the ethics of piracy. Thanks for trying though.

2011-11-02 10:28:39

#44

jord: Member; +2,382|6918|The North, beyond the wall.

Ethics are a thing of the past. If George Lucas wants £65 for his new blu ray star wars saga then he can come pick it up off me himself.

2011-11-02 16:42:37

#45

Cheeky_Ninja06: Member; +52|6972|Cambridge, England

13urnzz wrote:
AussieReaper wrote:
What exactly am I stealing here?
the opportunity of the owner to charge you too.

Piracy is like radio, but bigger.

2011-11-02 17:15:04

#46

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6650|'Murka

Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:
13urnzz wrote:
AussieReaper wrote:
What exactly am I stealing here?
the opportunity of the owner to charge you too.
Piracy is like radio, but bigger.

Royalties are paid for radio.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2011-11-02 17:33:49

#47

KEN-JENNINGS: I am all that is MOD!; +2,979|6871|949

Macbeth wrote:
globefish23 wrote:
Ah, this topic again.

Piracy = Is an act of robbery and/or criminal violence at sea. Arrrgh!
Theft/stealing = The illegal taking of another person's property without that person's permission or consent.
Copyright infringement = The unauthorized or prohibited use of works under copyright, infringing the copyright holder's exclusive rights, such as the right to reproduce or perform the copyrighted work, or to make derivative works.

Furthermore, many countries have the right for a private, non-commercial copy (i.e. among family and friends), which means that it's a massive grey area, since you basically are friends with everyone on the internet. Heck, generation Facebook gave us hundreds of "friends".

Here in Austria, the right for a private copy even goes so far that it doesn't matter from which source you obtain the copy.
As long as I'm not the one who is distributing the copy with out consent of the license holder, it's completely legal.
This also adds another grey area, because with protocols like Bittorrent you're not exactly distributing a copy, rather small parts.

Moral of the story:
100+ year old laws simply won't work in today's connected world anymore.
OP isn't debating law, it's debating the ethics of piracy. Thanks for trying though.

what's there to debate? It's unethical. If developers/artists/content creators want their product/efforts/toils available for free, they will make that decision themselves. You know my stance - people that pirate are either cheap and/or lazy.

2011-11-02 17:39:01

#48

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5597|London, England

FEOS wrote:
Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:
13urnzz wrote:

the opportunity of the owner to charge you too.
Piracy is like radio, but bigger.
Royalties are paid for radio.

No they aren't.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2011-11-02 18:07:52

#49

Stimey: +786|6360|Ontario | Canada

Stuff is just easier to duplicate now.
Thats about all it boils down to.

2011-11-02 19:05:59

#50

Winston_Churchill: Bazinga!; +521|6978|Toronto | Canada

Whats your opinion on people recording the radio? That was done long before the internet

What about watching TV shows otherwise unavailable in your country? Or downloading a TV show when you already have and pay for a cable subscription and its freely available on the show's website?

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