Ty
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Alan Joyce is acting like Fair Work Australia just solved all his problems. I heard an interview yesterday from him where he said something along the lines of "now that FWA has made its ruling our customers can be confident about our services into the future". Thing is FWA just bought Qantas 21 days, if they haven't reached an agreement by then with the TWU, ACTU and other pissed-off groups then it's going to be right back where it started. Joyce has said on numerous occasions that he won't be agreeing to the TWU's demands and the TWU hasn't made any effort to find an alternative.

Also heard Gillard tell him off which was quite funny. Basically said that she didn't buy for a second that grounding the fleet was the only option Joyce had, (which he is claiming.) I agree with her too, it was a selfish and melodramatic move that served only to fuck travellers around. Joyce could have easily gone to FWA himself or even the Industrial Relations Commission. Tony Abbott's going on about how Gillard should have called Joyce and demanded he not ground the fleet - is he an idiot or just naive?
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Cybargs
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fuckkkkkkkkkk 21 days is just short of my flight. fuckers better not protest.
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Spark
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nah no more industrial action. after 21 days it goes into fwa arbitration, so they basically sort their shit out for them.
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~ Richard Feynman
Jaekus
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Ty wrote:

Tony Abbott's going on about how Gillard should have called Joyce and demanded he not ground the fleet - is he an idiot or just naive?
He's both.
tazz.
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It worries me that Ty knows more of the politics i'm governed by than myself.
everything i write is a ramble and should not be taken seriously.... seriously.
Cybargs
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were the closet thing to civilization for them sheepshaggers.
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RTHKI
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Cybargs wrote:

were the closet thing to civilization for them hobbitses.
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nukchebi0
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To whoever gave me karma, that was essentially what the other Australians said.
Ty
Mass Media Casualty
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tazz. wrote:

It worries me that Ty knows more of the politics i'm governed by than myself.
I work for an Aussie company monitoring and analysing Aussie media, if it wasn't for that I'd know fuck-all. It also means there's no-one here in NZ I can talk to about this stuff so I show off in these sorts of threads.

Cybargs is right too.
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Jaekus
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Abbott denies prior knowledge of Qantas grounding

The Qantas political brawl has escalated dramatically with an extraordinary suggestion that Opposition Leader Tony Abbott had prior knowledge that Qantas was to ground its aircraft.

Mr Abbott was forced to deny the claim in Parliament, saying he heard about the grounding only a few minutes before it came into force on Saturday.

Transport Minister Anthony Albanese called a press conference to question why Mr Abbott suddenly changed his rhetoric on Friday to demand the Government intervene in the dispute.

Mr Albanese questioned whether Mr Abbott had been told about the lockout and grounding well before Qantas boss Alan Joyce told the Government at 2pm on Saturday.

Mr Joyce insisted the Qantas board only made the lockout decision on Saturday morning.

"Why did Tony Abbott change his position on Friday morning one day before Qantas says they made the decision to lock out the workforce and to shut down the airline at 5pm on Saturday?" Mr Albanese asked journalists.

And he made the extraordinary suggestion that the Opposition may have colluded with Qantas to "orchestrate" the lockout and grounding.

"Was Mr Abbott, his office or any colleagues in his party involved in an orchestrated campaign in the lead-up to this announcement with Qantas' decision they say was made on Saturday to lock out its workforce and to ground its fleet?" he asked.

"What contact did Mr Abbott or his frontbench have with Mr Joyce or [Qantas chairman] Mr Clifford prior to Qantas' announcement on Saturday?"

In Question Time, Prime Minister Julia Gillard stepped up the pressure on Mr Abbott, demanding he "tell the truth" and saying he was "in cover-up mode".

This morning, Mr Abbott was asked three questions by journalists about what he knew and when.

He was first asked when "on Saturday" he found out about the grounding, to which he replied "just before five o'clock".

But later in the press conference journalists asked if anyone from Qantas spoke to him or someone from his office "prior to Saturday" about a possible grounding, but he avoided the question.

The journalists persisted: "Was your office forewarned of the dispute - can you answer that?"

"My office was in regular contact with Qantas. Qantas, as anyone in Parliament House would know, have basically been patrolling the corridors of Parliament House for weeks now alerting people to the seriousness of the dispute," Mr Abbott replied before terminating the press conference.


'Cover-up mode'

Ms Gillard, in Question Time, applied more pressure to Mr Abbott.

"The Leader of the Opposition twice refuses to answer a question about when he knew when Qantas was going to lock its workers out and ground the planes," she told Parliament.

"When did the Leader of the Opposition know that tens of thousands of passengers were going to be stranded?

"He's in cover-up mode. He doesn't want to be asked when he knew, what he knew about Qantas. Did he know an hour before the planes were grounded? Did he know 24 hours before the planes were grounded?

"Did he know 48 hours before the planes were grounded? Did he ring up Qantas and suggest the planes should be grounded? Go out and tell the truth."

Government whip Ed Husic says Qantas' actions are a disgrace that represents "industrial bastardry".

"That is what it represented because they were prepared to put the public in front of a battering ram and to force them straight into the middle of an industrial dispute and not even care about the impact. It is simply a disgrace," he said.

But after Question Time Mr Abbott rose to make a personal explanation to Parliament, saying his office was first informed about the lockout at 4:15pm on Saturday and "I heard about it just before 5 o'clock".

"If I had prior notice to what Qantas was intending I would hardly have booked myself and my family on Qantas the following day," Mr Abbott told Parliament.

"So I suggest to the Prime Minister and the Minister for Transport they should stop fantasising about me and start apologising for the massive damage they've inflicted on the Australian public."

Opposition transport spokesman Warren Truss maintains the Government should have used its power under the Fair Work Act to immediately terminate the industrial action once it was told about the airline's plan to ground the fleet.

"Not only would Qantas have acted in a decent and responsible way not to have grounded its fleet had the Government actually taken the action available to it, under Section 4.3.1 of its own act, Qantas would have been prevented from locking out its employees," Mr Truss said after Question Time.
Abbott isn't helping his cause by dodging the question. He's either covering up or making yet another blunder by appearing to be covering it up. Never trust a pollie...
Spark
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going for the latter. abbott isn't a quick thinker on his feet.
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Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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Side issue really.
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Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6932|Canberra, AUS
perhaps not any more

and that, kids, is why you don't go on 7.30 unprepared even post k o'b - leigh sales is no mug.

the whole interview is rather jaw-dropping for its one-sidedness, but this is the relevant bit:

LEIGH SALES: When did you first hear from Qantas that it was considering the option of grounding its fleet or locking out staff? That it was considering that option?

JOE HOCKEY: Well it's been saying it around Parliament House for the last few weeks. Everyone in Parliament House knew. I specifically heard they were going to undertake a lock-out and grounding on 4:45 on Saturday.

LEIGH SALES: When did you hear they were considering that option, that that was the sort of stuff that was on the table?

JOE HOCKEY: Oh, weeks ago. They've been saying it. Weeks ago. Publicly and privately, they have been saying for weeks.

LEIGH SALES: Did you hear this in a meeting with Qantas representatives?

JOE HOCKEY: They had been saying it privately and publicly around Parliament House for weeks.

LEIGH SALES: I'd like to know specifically when you heard that. Don't want you to say generally.

JOE HOCKEY: I can't recall.


LEIGH SALES: You would have heard it personally in a meeting from a Qantas representative at some time in the past few weeks?

JOE HOCKEY: Yeah, sure. As did others. Qantas have been in this building for weeks.

Last edited by Spark (2011-11-01 05:53:19)

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Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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Abbott is trying to spin it that JG knew it was coming and did nothing. Maybe its the case.
Get on with something useful, idiots.
Fuck Israel
Jaekus
I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose
+957|5436|Sydney
Wait, so you can bash the Unions but when it's coming clear the opposition knew it was coming and let it unfold, it's a non-issue?

LoL
AussieReaper
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What, the Liberals are on the side of big business?

Gasp.
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Ty
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Labor is just playing the Coalition's game. It's just pointless politicking. The most it'll achieve is get the Coalition backing off in their endless questions over whether Gillard should have acted sooner which is what the Government wants.

It's been obvious for quite some that Qantas were considering grounding their fleet. I don't recall if Alan Joyce or anyone else actually said it but with the grounding of a few planes due to the TWU strikes it was always sort of hinted at in the sound bites from both Joyce and especially Olivia Wirth. I think that's why Hockey couldn't answer Sales over when it was he knew Qantas were considering the action, because it was always kind of just floating in the background. Thing is the general knowledge that Qantas was throwing grounding its fleet around as an option isn't particularly helpful. If Abbott and Co. knew more specifically how serious the consideration was or knew specifics about timing before Saturday then there may be an issue but I kind of doubt that this is the case. Joyce certainly isn't saying it is.

Of course it would be just like Abbott to withhold information like that just so he'd have yet another opportunity to bitch at Labor but I doubt even he's stupid enough to take the risk that he would be caught out.
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Dilbert_X
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I'm not too excited about who said what to whom when, its a trivial distraction and these morons need to be solving the problems instead of jockeying for positions near the band as the ship goes down.
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