BF2S Forums Occupy Wall Street

Nic wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

Nic wrote:

So, what your saying is, if you live in a first world country, you should try to change your government for the better, because its better than a third world country?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption … ions_Index

Well OWS protestors don't really have a list of demand so they aren't changing jack shit.

I get that, and it pisses me off as much as the next guy, but that doesn't mean people who want a change shouldn't have a voice. I'm sure there are a few that have a legitimate concern that should be heard, just lost in the cry of the unintelligent mob. It would be nice if they would assign a voice for themselves.

Cybargs wrote:

Spearhead: As ty said when the protests happening in NZ, it had absolutely nothing. Cry corruption? NZ has no corruption to speak of, cry unemployment? well NZ unemployment is sitting at a nice 5.5% Cry income inequality, NZ is one of the most equal when it comes to income distribution. Fuck these occupy wall street kids crying about corporations while buying shit from corporations that everyone knows does dodgy shit (Facebook privacy issues, Apple and employee abuse). Corporate lobbies have VERY VERY little influence on what happens in the US. voting system int he US is universal not weighted wealth, so put your votes out there instead of wasting everyones time.

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Where's Occupy Chernobyl?

Jay wrote:

Must say, this dude is fucking awesome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmEHcOc0 … r_embedded





..even if he is a marine

Dauntless wrote:

Jay wrote:

Must say, this dude is fucking awesome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmEHcOc0 … r_embedded





..even if he is a marine

the cops were beating people in the street?

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Jay wrote:

Dauntless wrote:

the cops were beating people in the street?

The Occupiers pretty much beg for it so they can play the victim card

Just like chicks beg to get raped by wearing revealing clothing

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Jay wrote:

Dauntless wrote:

the cops were beating people in the street?

The Occupiers pretty much beg for it so they can play the victim card

Just like chicks beg to get raped by wearing revealing clothing

Spark wrote:

A fantastic article on the idiocy of the Occupy movement in Aus:

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/3578554.html

Thank God Phil and Liz Battenberg arrive today to save Australia.

Last week we were informed in the House of Representatives that democracy was dead. This was just as well because over the weekend we were told that democracy is broken. Obviously our Queen has heard the cries of the protestors and has come to restore order and right all wrongs.

Protesting is a great and wondrous thing. It can also be an incredibly powerful action that shakes systems to their core. Or it can just be very lame.

When I observe the now-aging baby boomers who descend upon Canberra or outside Anthony Albanese's office to shout and tell us of the death of democracy, I wonder if they are those who watched the Vietnam moratorium marches with disgust, and now feel it is finally their turn to protest and fight the man (or the woman, given their main venom seems to be aimed at Julia Gillard). Those hippies finally being shown how it is done by people who in 1968 would have thought hair below the collar was scandalous. Sure, Lennon's not singing Give Peace a Chance anymore, but Angry Anderson is still on hand to belt out Bound for Glory, so it's all good.

Just exceedingly lame - Bronwyn Bishop leading the cheer? Really?

There has been some suggestion that the anti-carbon tax protests are akin to the Tea Party in America, where we see the right-wing, religious, anti-tax, pro-guns section of America desiring to flex their apparently heretofore ignored political might. Both the Tea Party and the anti-carbon tax movement sprung up after election wins by leftwing (if you can call the Democratic Party or Gillard's ALP that) parties. The underlying view that Obama's and Gillard's governments are illegitimate permeates both.

In America, the Tea Party has its media support in the Fox News channel; here Alan Jones and a few radio stations give the anti-carbon tax mob their best plug, but there's no real connection between the two groups.

But I find it interesting that at this point in time, the rightwing/conservative side - supposedly containing those who value public institutions most highly - would now decide that the time is ripe to take to the streets (or at least the House of Representatives) and shout "Democracy is Dead!".

Even more interesting is that the other side of the political coin is shouting the same thing.

The Occupy Wall Street protestors have had enough of the system. They, like the Tea Party supporters are not happy with the bail out of the banks. There may be difference of belief in solutions and also ways of going about achieving them, but both groups are children of the Global Financial Crisis.

The American Wall Street protestors definitely have legitimate beefs. Much also has been made of the statistic that 1 per cent of American households control 35 per cent of the wealth, which is pretty breathtaking when you pause and think about it. Even more astonishing is that the top 20 per cent have 87.2 per cent of the wealth.

Add to this factors such as the top income tax bracket kicks in at a mere 35 per cent for those earning over $379,151, and the fact that 261 of the 532 members of Congress are millionaires and it's not surprising that there might be a few who think that the political system is rather weighted against the average Joe.

But when we turn to the Occupy movement in Australia, as with the attempts to frame the anti-tax groups as Australia's Tea Party, I see only organisations searching for reality. Sure the vibe is bad, but the reality is starkly different.

Here our unemployment level is 5.2 per cent compared to 9.1 per cent in America. Our top income tax rate is 45 per cent and kicks in after $180,000. The top 20 per cent of our households (the ABS conveniently informed us last week) accounts for 61.8 per cent of net wealth and 40.2 per cent of disposable household income. Yes the bottom 20 per cent only hold 0.9 per cent of net wealth and 7.4 per cent of disposable income, so we are not some equality wonderland - but given the outlandish desires of the Occupy movement in Australia, a bit of perspective is helpful.

For you see both the anti-carbon tax group and the Occupy folks struggle a bit I think with perspective.

On the right we have convoys of no-confidence that involve nutters who are worried about a one world government, the link between fluoride and communism and trying to survive without democracy until we have our next democratic election.

On the left we have the Occupy groups who include nutters who are rather concerned about a one world Federal Reserve and how fluoride penetrates your brain (do some research, man - it's all there).

In Sydney, yesterday I went for a walk to have a look at how things were going in Martin Place and was greeted by the largest banner screaming "Occupy Buildings Abolish Jails"

Well sorry, but you lost me already.

It gets better from there.

Jay wrote:

Spark wrote:

A fantastic article on the idiocy of the Occupy movement in Aus:

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/3578554.html

Thank God Phil and Liz Battenberg arrive today to save Australia.

Last week we were informed in the House of Representatives that democracy was dead. This was just as well because over the weekend we were told that democracy is broken. Obviously our Queen has heard the cries of the protestors and has come to restore order and right all wrongs.

Protesting is a great and wondrous thing. It can also be an incredibly powerful action that shakes systems to their core. Or it can just be very lame.

When I observe the now-aging baby boomers who descend upon Canberra or outside Anthony Albanese's office to shout and tell us of the death of democracy, I wonder if they are those who watched the Vietnam moratorium marches with disgust, and now feel it is finally their turn to protest and fight the man (or the woman, given their main venom seems to be aimed at Julia Gillard). Those hippies finally being shown how it is done by people who in 1968 would have thought hair below the collar was scandalous. Sure, Lennon's not singing Give Peace a Chance anymore, but Angry Anderson is still on hand to belt out Bound for Glory, so it's all good.

Just exceedingly lame - Bronwyn Bishop leading the cheer? Really?

There has been some suggestion that the anti-carbon tax protests are akin to the Tea Party in America, where we see the right-wing, religious, anti-tax, pro-guns section of America desiring to flex their apparently heretofore ignored political might. Both the Tea Party and the anti-carbon tax movement sprung up after election wins by leftwing (if you can call the Democratic Party or Gillard's ALP that) parties. The underlying view that Obama's and Gillard's governments are illegitimate permeates both.

In America, the Tea Party has its media support in the Fox News channel; here Alan Jones and a few radio stations give the anti-carbon tax mob their best plug, but there's no real connection between the two groups.

But I find it interesting that at this point in time, the rightwing/conservative side - supposedly containing those who value public institutions most highly - would now decide that the time is ripe to take to the streets (or at least the House of Representatives) and shout "Democracy is Dead!".

Even more interesting is that the other side of the political coin is shouting the same thing.

The Occupy Wall Street protestors have had enough of the system. They, like the Tea Party supporters are not happy with the bail out of the banks. There may be difference of belief in solutions and also ways of going about achieving them, but both groups are children of the Global Financial Crisis.

The American Wall Street protestors definitely have legitimate beefs. Much also has been made of the statistic that 1 per cent of American households control 35 per cent of the wealth, which is pretty breathtaking when you pause and think about it. Even more astonishing is that the top 20 per cent have 87.2 per cent of the wealth.

Add to this factors such as the top income tax bracket kicks in at a mere 35 per cent for those earning over $379,151, and the fact that 261 of the 532 members of Congress are millionaires and it's not surprising that there might be a few who think that the political system is rather weighted against the average Joe.

But when we turn to the Occupy movement in Australia, as with the attempts to frame the anti-tax groups as Australia's Tea Party, I see only organisations searching for reality. Sure the vibe is bad, but the reality is starkly different.

Here our unemployment level is 5.2 per cent compared to 9.1 per cent in America. Our top income tax rate is 45 per cent and kicks in after $180,000. The top 20 per cent of our households (the ABS conveniently informed us last week) accounts for 61.8 per cent of net wealth and 40.2 per cent of disposable household income. Yes the bottom 20 per cent only hold 0.9 per cent of net wealth and 7.4 per cent of disposable income, so we are not some equality wonderland - but given the outlandish desires of the Occupy movement in Australia, a bit of perspective is helpful.

For you see both the anti-carbon tax group and the Occupy folks struggle a bit I think with perspective.

On the right we have convoys of no-confidence that involve nutters who are worried about a one world government, the link between fluoride and communism and trying to survive without democracy until we have our next democratic election.

On the left we have the Occupy groups who include nutters who are rather concerned about a one world Federal Reserve and how fluoride penetrates your brain (do some research, man - it's all there).

In Sydney, yesterday I went for a walk to have a look at how things were going in Martin Place and was greeted by the largest banner screaming "Occupy Buildings Abolish Jails"

Well sorry, but you lost me already.

It gets better from there.

What a fucking moronic article.

Jay wrote:

Spark wrote:

why are you expecting an australian to know the ins and outs of the american taxation system? his main point is that the occupy folks here are basing their concerns on argument that has very little applicability in this country.

Then why comment on America at all? He/she is saying that Occupy Wall Streeters have legitimate gripes and that the Occupy Kangarooland protestors don't. 20% of Americans control 85% of the wealth blah blah blah.