Kmar
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https://i.imgur.com/acjIW.jpgLast month the extent of sea ice covering the Arctic Ocean declined to the second-lowest extent on record. Satellite data from NASA and the NASA-supported National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) at the University of Colorado in Boulder showed that the summertime sea ice cover narrowly avoided a new record low.The Arctic ice cap grows each winter as the sun sets for several months and shrinks each summer as the sun rises higher in the northern sky. Each year the Arctic sea ice reaches its annual minimum extent in September. It hit a record low in 2007.

The near-record ice-melt followed higher-than-average summer temperatures, but without the unusual weather conditions that contributed to the extreme melt of 2007. "Atmospheric and oceanic conditions were not as conducive to ice loss this year, but the melt still neared 2007 levels," said NSIDC scientist Walt Meier. "This probably reflects loss of multiyear ice in the Beaufort and Chukchi seas as well as other factors that are making the ice more vulnerable."


This video shows Arctic sea ice from March 7, 2011, to Sept. 9, 2011, ending with a comparison of the 30-year average minimum extent (in yellow) and the Northwest Passage (shown in red). (Credit: NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center)

https://i.imgur.com/1tOl1.jpgArctic sea ice continues a long-term melting trend, setting new record lows for both volume and extent.

The University of Washington (UW) estimatesAugust sea ice volume was 62% below the 1979-2010 average. And data indicate the volume bottomed out at a record low (as also documented on the excellent Arctic sea ice blog). The UW model for estimating sea volume incorporates data from satellites, Navy submarines, moorings, and field measurements as well as atmospheric information.

News of the “unofficial” 2011 record for minimum Arctic sea ice volume follows acceptance of an article in the Journal of Geophysical Research which demonstrates the 2010 minimum sea ice volume was lower than 2007, the previous record holder.

The sea ice volume metric is important because, unlike extent, it provides information on ice thickness and, thus, offers a more complete picture of what’s happening to the ice.

As for sea ice extent, the University of Bremen (in Germany) reports it reached a new historic minimum of 4.24 million square kilometers on September 8. In a press release it stated:

It seems to be clear that this is a further consequence of the man-made global warming with global consequences.

An alternative estimate from the National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) indicates that Arctic sea ice extent is currently at the second-lowest levels in the satellite record - very slightly higher than 2007.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/cap … _blog.html
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Jay
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Kmar wrote:

Last month the extent of sea ice covering the Arctic Ocean declined to the second-lowest extent on record. Satellite data from NASA and the NASA-supported National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) at the University of Colorado in Boulder showed that the summertime sea ice cover narrowly avoided a new record low.The Arctic ice cap grows each winter as the sun sets for several months and shrinks each summer as the sun rises higher in the northern sky. Each year the Arctic sea ice reaches its annual minimum extent in September. It hit a record low in 2007.

The near-record ice-melt followed higher-than-average summer temperatures, but without the unusual weather conditions that contributed to the extreme melt of 2007. "Atmospheric and oceanic conditions were not as conducive to ice loss this year, but the melt still neared 2007 levels," said NSIDC scientist Walt Meier. "This probably reflects loss of multiyear ice in the Beaufort and Chukchi seas as well as other factors that are making the ice more vulnerable."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5foMdqc30wM
This video shows Arctic sea ice from March 7, 2011, to Sept. 9, 2011, ending with a comparison of the 30-year average minimum extent (in yellow) and the Northwest Passage (shown in red). (Credit: NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center)

Arctic sea ice continues a long-term melting trend, setting new record lows for both volume and extent.

The University of Washington (UW) estimatesAugust sea ice volume was 62% below the 1979-2010 average. And data indicate the volume bottomed out at a record low (as also documented on the excellent Arctic sea ice blog). The UW model for estimating sea volume incorporates data from satellites, Navy submarines, moorings, and field measurements as well as atmospheric information.

News of the “unofficial” 2011 record for minimum Arctic sea ice volume follows acceptance of an article in the Journal of Geophysical Research which demonstrates the 2010 minimum sea ice volume was lower than 2007, the previous record holder.

The sea ice volume metric is important because, unlike extent, it provides information on ice thickness and, thus, offers a more complete picture of what’s happening to the ice.

As for sea ice extent, the University of Bremen (in Germany) reports it reached a new historic minimum of 4.24 million square kilometers on September 8. In a press release it stated:

It seems to be clear that this is a further consequence of the man-made global warming with global consequences.

An alternative estimate from the National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) indicates that Arctic sea ice extent is currently at the second-lowest levels in the satellite record - very slightly higher than 2007.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/cap … _blog.html
Love how that is tossed out there so flippantly. Obviously there was no single other factor in play
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FloppY_
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I think we are getting close to that theoretical/philosophical turning point in our species' lifetime where we either discover clean, renewable energy and make it work, or our society falls apart because we destroyed our world by burning it out
­ Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me
Cybargs
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wasnt jupiter heating up as well?
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Shocking
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FloppY_ wrote:

I think we are getting close to that theoretical/philosophical turning point in our species' lifetime where we either discover clean, renewable energy and make it work, or our society falls apart because we destroyed our world by burning it out
Or nothing significant happens.
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BlAiR_AgaiN
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Counting in the errors in that graph, 2011 may as well fit into the grey area (or even worse, far below it), which I assume is the boundary for the results with maximum deviation from the mean 1979-2010 value.
But that video shows some pretty severe shrinkage (if it's to be trusted), and while I agree that the mankind has contributed its share to the greenhouse effect, It's hard to believe that greenhouse gases are the major cause of it, it's simply too fast.
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Shocking wrote:

FloppY_ wrote:

I think we are getting close to that theoretical/philosophical turning point in our species' lifetime where we either discover clean, renewable energy and make it work, or our society falls apart because we destroyed our world by burning it out
Or nothing significant happens.
A possibility no doubt
­ Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me
Spark
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BlAiR_AgaiN wrote:

Counting in the errors in that graph, 2011 may as well fit into the grey area (or even worse, far below it), which I assume is the boundary for the results with maximum deviation from the mean 1979-2010 value.
But that video shows some pretty severe shrinkage (if it's to be trusted), and while I agree that the mankind has contributed its share to the greenhouse effect, It's hard to believe that greenhouse gases are the major cause of it, it's simply too fast.
Nobel prizes have been given on data that looks cleaner at first blush than that.

Don't know how good it is without doing chi^2 but it looks fine.
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Cybargs wrote:

wasnt jupiter heating up as well?
Space SUV's.
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FloppY_ wrote:

I think we are getting close to that theoretical/philosophical turning point in our species' lifetime where we either discover clean, renewable energy and make it work, or our society falls apart because we destroyed our world by burning it out
That isn't the only factor of necessary change that we are about to experience. Bodies of science (both theoretical and practical), religion, and metaphysics, purport humanity to be at the brink of some grand paradigm shift. I don't know if it's all coincidence, or emotions feeding off each other, but it is an observable fact that these ideas are well spread.

We are a very adaptable bunch of apes. We will probably persevere through any calamity that befalls us. Humans have faced and dealt with unimaginable devastation in the past. Our numbers have skid nearly to the bottom. We survived the end the Pleistocene; imagine being faced with the reality that all human civilization has just been wiped out. The only survivors are backwards mountain folk and desert nomads.

We may very well face similar threats, however today we are at the brink of singularity.
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Cybargs wrote:

wasnt jupiter heating up as well?
Warming worked out really well for Mars.
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Jay wrote:

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I thought warming stalled because of the amount of shit China was pumping into the atmosphere, in an ironic twist actually started reflecting heat. Or was that between two points in the last ten years and no longe rmakes a difference?
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It's over 80 degrees out right now...
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Macbeth wrote:

It's over 80 degrees out right now...
the only answer must be global warming
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NeXuS
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Why can't it just be the fact that the earth is going through it's rounds of evolution? The mother fucker was almost completely covered in ice at one time? Who the fuck was to blame for that? Penguins? It hasn't always been a constant 75 degree's sunny and beautiful in this world. Maybe the earth is just doing it's thing? It started getting warmer LONG before man's industrial age. Were humans. Were smart. Stop fondling these problems and just find an answer I say.

Last edited by NeXuS (2011-10-10 16:43:54)

Spark
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NeXuS wrote:

Why can't it just be the fact that the earth is going through it's rounds of evolution? The mother fucker was completely covered in ice at one time? Who the fuck was to blame for that? Penguins? It hasn't always been a constant 75 degree's sunny and beautiful in this world. Maybe the earth is just doing it's thing? It started getting warmer LONG before man's industrial age. Were humans. Were smart. Stop fondling these problems and just find an answer I say.
reading a book might help
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
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NeXuS
Shock it till ya know it
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Spark wrote:

NeXuS wrote:

Why can't it just be the fact that the earth is going through it's rounds of evolution? The mother fucker was completely covered in ice at one time? Who the fuck was to blame for that? Penguins? It hasn't always been a constant 75 degree's sunny and beautiful in this world. Maybe the earth is just doing it's thing? It started getting warmer LONG before man's industrial age. Were humans. Were smart. Stop fondling these problems and just find an answer I say.
reading a book might help
Never. Why does that sound like such a far off idea?
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6932|Canberra, AUS
i'm not particularly feeling like doing people's research for them. everyone one of those questions is easily answered by reading any paleoclimatology book. or reading some decent websites.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
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Paleoclimatology
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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NeXuS wrote:

Spark wrote:

NeXuS wrote:

Why can't it just be the fact that the earth is going through it's rounds of evolution? The mother fucker was completely covered in ice at one time? Who the fuck was to blame for that? Penguins? It hasn't always been a constant 75 degree's sunny and beautiful in this world. Maybe the earth is just doing it's thing? It started getting warmer LONG before man's industrial age. Were humans. Were smart. Stop fondling these problems and just find an answer I say.
reading a book might help
Never. Why does that sound like such a far off idea?
It's important to try and understand why. We should never just write something like the climate off without trying to understand everything we can about it. Knowledge benefits us always. Always.
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Kmar
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

My bread has disintegrated. This is evidence for ant-made larder nibbling.


Cybargs wrote:

wasnt jupiter heating up as well?
Space SUV's.
Jupiter's temperature is largely regulated by it's own internal heat. The comparison between our planet and it is flawed from the get-go.
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