Little BaBy JESUS
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Quoted from "God’s Way to Health, Wealth and Wisdom" written in 1984.

lol.
Dilbert_X
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lowing wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

LOL US is still more socialist than many 'socialist' nations.

Just look at the size of the military compared to most other nations - China is close I guess but they are fairly socialist.
Sorry, Dilbert, I am not going to get into your delusional argument that working for a living is being on welfare. It is a desperate argument to lump people that actually work and produce, be it for the people, or private, in the same group as those that leech off of them.
But if you work for the govt, or get paid out of govt contracts, surely you're still a leech?
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lowing
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Dilbert_X wrote:

lowing wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

LOL US is still more socialist than many 'socialist' nations.

Just look at the size of the military compared to most other nations - China is close I guess but they are fairly socialist.
Sorry, Dilbert, I am not going to get into your delusional argument that working for a living is being on welfare. It is a desperate argument to lump people that actually work and produce, be it for the people, or private, in the same group as those that leech off of them.
But if you work for the govt, or get paid out of govt contracts, surely you're still a leech?
For your argument to be true, you would have to believe, the people would require no infrastructure, no defense forces and no one to build or maintain or protect a nation, and if they did, they should not get paid for their efforts. It is a weak ass, dumb fuck position you have taken. Only thing really to figure out is, if you truly believe your own bullshit. Personally I don't think you do.

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Dilbert_X
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I thought the free market would deliver everything?
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lowing
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Dilbert_X wrote:

I thought the free market would deliver everything?
For your argument to be true, you would have to believe, the people would require no infrastructure, no defense forces and no one to build or maintain or protect a nation, and if they did, they should not get paid for their efforts. It is a weak ass, dumb fuck position you have taken. Only thing really to figure out is, if you truly believe your own bullshit. Personally I don't think you do.
Dilbert_X
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So you are a socialist after all.
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lowing
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Dilbert_X wrote:

So you are a socialist after all.
same response dilbert, except, maybe you ARE dumb fuck enough to believe your own bullshit.
Dilbert_X
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lowing wrote:

you would have to believe, the people would require no infrastructure, no defense forces and no one to build or maintain or protect a nation
Well, you don't sound like a Libertarian.

Its funny that one of the most socialist countries there is, Switzerland, effectively doesn't have a defence force.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2011-09-18 03:59:09)

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lowing
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Dilbert_X wrote:

lowing wrote:

you would have to believe, the people would require no infrastructure, no defense forces and no one to build or maintain or protect a nation
Well, you don't sound like a Libertarian.
Actually I do, ya see, I do not believe people should receive shit for nothing, including their roads, water works, power grids, defense, etc....You should work for the services provided to you, and you should pay those that provide it.
Cybargs
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Dilbert_X wrote:

lowing wrote:

you would have to believe, the people would require no infrastructure, no defense forces and no one to build or maintain or protect a nation
Well, you don't sound like a Libertarian.

Its funny that one of the most socialist countries there is, Switzerland, effectively doesn't have a defence force.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_army

Yeah since everyone is conscripted right?
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Dilbert_X
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lowing wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

lowing wrote:

you would have to believe, the people would require no infrastructure, no defense forces and no one to build or maintain or protect a nation
Well, you don't sound like a Libertarian.
Actually I do, ya see, I do not believe people should receive shit for nothing, including their roads, water works, power grids, defense, etc....You should work for the services provided to you, and you should pay those that provide it.
And the govt should step in to make sure it all happens - OK.
Fuck Israel
Dilbert_X
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Cybargs wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

lowing wrote:

you would have to believe, the people would require no infrastructure, no defense forces and no one to build or maintain or protect a nation
Well, you don't sound like a Libertarian.

Its funny that one of the most socialist countries there is, Switzerland, effectively doesn't have a defence force.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_army

Yeah since everyone is conscripted right?
"Under the country's militia system, professional soldiers constitute about 5 percent of military personnel"
Socialism does make for a very cheap and effective military.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2011-09-18 04:22:25)

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lowing
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Dilbert_X wrote:

lowing wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:


Well, you don't sound like a Libertarian.
Actually I do, ya see, I do not believe people should receive shit for nothing, including their roads, water works, power grids, defense, etc....You should work for the services provided to you, and you should pay those that provide it.
And the govt should step in to make sure it all happens - OK.
you mean the people? yeah, most people agree in a relationship that involves the buying and selling of goods and services.
lowing
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:


Well, you don't sound like a Libertarian.

Its funny that one of the most socialist countries there is, Switzerland, effectively doesn't have a defence force.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_army

Yeah since everyone is conscripted right?
"Under the country's militia system, professional soldiers constitute about 5 percent of military personnel"
Socialism does make for a very cheap and effective military.
hmmmmm I wonder if they are considered to be on welfare, or if they even get paid.
Cybargs
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:


Well, you don't sound like a Libertarian.

Its funny that one of the most socialist countries there is, Switzerland, effectively doesn't have a defence force.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_army

Yeah since everyone is conscripted right?
"Under the country's militia system, professional soldiers constitute about 5 percent of military personnel"
Socialism does make for a very cheap and effective military.
If America wanted to have a military to defend its borders, it can do it on the cheap too. It's called the 2nd Amendment.
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rdx-fx
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So, a pyromaniac is to a firefighter
as a train conductor is to a Dilbert.

Would the word be 'derail-a-ductor'?

All tracks lead to "It's America's fault, America sucks!" or "T3h j000000s!!t3h 3vi1 I$raeli$!!"
lowing
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Cybargs wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Cybargs wrote:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_army

Yeah since everyone is conscripted right?
"Under the country's militia system, professional soldiers constitute about 5 percent of military personnel"
Socialism does make for a very cheap and effective military.
If America wanted to have a military to defend its borders, it can do it on the cheap too. It's called the 2nd Amendment.
Don't worry, Dilbert does not believe a word of the bullshit he posts in this issue. He simply can not defend the nanny/welfare state to the point of collapse,( proving it is wrong in the first place) logically, so he must try and desperately say everyone else is guilty of it as well.
Bertster7
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lowing wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

LOL US is still more socialist than many 'socialist' nations.

Just look at the size of the military compared to most other nations - China is close I guess but they are fairly socialist.
Sorry, Dilbert, I am not going to get into your delusional argument that working for a living is being on welfare. It is a desperate argument to lump people that actually work and produce, be it for the people, or private, in the same group as those that leech off of them.
The problem with the US is that you're a bit socialist. You reap few of the benefits and end up paying way more than anyone else for the same services as a result of this.

Also, showing the United States' socialist bent are the types of programs that the government spends money on. Even ignoring the price increases in the United States caused by government-created inflation, the United States spends as a percentage nearly as much on pensions, healthcare, education, and welfare as does the United Kingdom — 58.7 percent of government spending in the United States versus 62.9 percent in the United Kingdom. (If U.S. medical costs could accurately be adjusted for government interference in the medical market, one would assume we would find that Americans are paying vastly more as a percentage for these expenditures than the UK — enlightening, isn't it?)
You either need to have socialist systems and embrace them entirely (as works very well for the vast majority of socialist nations) or have a true free market system. At present Americans are paying for a socialist system and getting very little out of it.
RTHKI
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i guess the british empire was socialist
https://i.imgur.com/tMvdWFG.png
lowing
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Bertster7 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

LOL US is still more socialist than many 'socialist' nations.

Just look at the size of the military compared to most other nations - China is close I guess but they are fairly socialist.
Sorry, Dilbert, I am not going to get into your delusional argument that working for a living is being on welfare. It is a desperate argument to lump people that actually work and produce, be it for the people, or private, in the same group as those that leech off of them.
The problem with the US is that you're a bit socialist. You reap few of the benefits and end up paying way more than anyone else for the same services as a result of this.

Also, showing the United States' socialist bent are the types of programs that the government spends money on. Even ignoring the price increases in the United States caused by government-created inflation, the United States spends as a percentage nearly as much on pensions, healthcare, education, and welfare as does the United Kingdom — 58.7 percent of government spending in the United States versus 62.9 percent in the United Kingdom. (If U.S. medical costs could accurately be adjusted for government interference in the medical market, one would assume we would find that Americans are paying vastly more as a percentage for these expenditures than the UK — enlightening, isn't it?)
You either need to have socialist systems and embrace them entirely (as works very well for the vast majority of socialist nations) or have a true free market system. At present Americans are paying for a socialist system and getting very little out of it.
You might have a point, unfortunately our society is being made up more and more of those that want socialism, yet only want to reap the benefits from it, and do not necessarily want to contribute to it. Hence the tea party movement, and the struggle to regain a conservative ideology within our nation, but then you are racist if you do not want to contribute to someone elses coffers over your own.
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Bertster7 wrote:

You either need to have socialist systems and embrace them entirely (as works very well for the vast majority of socialist nations) or have a true free market system. At present Americans are paying for a socialist system and getting very little out of it.
A large part of the problem is the negative connotation that comes with certain words.  Socialism, Free Market, Capitalism, etc.
Politicians and demagogues use these emotionally charged words to shape policy.  Usually not for the common good.

Another part is just horribly inefficient bureaucracy.
We have ceded our Republic, abandoned our ideals of Democracy, and given in to the gray banality of a mindless Bureaucracy.


A basic function of government is to provide services. Generally paid for by public taxes.
How much service does the public want, how much are they willing to pay for it, and is there a cultural fabric to support the program?

For example, the 'cultural fabric' of Sweden is such that they can successfully implement certain liberal/socialist programs.
Implement the same program in England, and you get generations milking the dole (public welfare system).
Implement the same program in Somalia.. oh, wait.. nevermind.. can't even put in public electricity without people stealing the copper wire.
lowing
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Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

Quoted from "God’s Way to Health, Wealth and Wisdom" written in 1984.

lol.
and? What was the point you were making? Were you even alive in 1984?
Little BaBy JESUS
m8
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lowing wrote:

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

Quoted from "God’s Way to Health, Wealth and Wisdom" written in 1984.

lol.
and? What was the point you were making? Were you even alive in 1984?
I thought for a minute you might have actually been quoting something with some academic value so I checked where the quote came from.


I personally don't take my political/social lessons from a book written decades ago by a baptist fundamentalist.

Last edited by Little BaBy JESUS (2011-09-18 15:09:07)

oug
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lowing wrote:

Was in Greece recently
vacation?
ƒ³
lowing
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Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

lowing wrote:

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

Quoted from "God’s Way to Health, Wealth and Wisdom" written in 1984.

lol.
and? What was the point you were making? Were you even alive in 1984?
I thought for a minute you might have actually been quoting something with some academic value so I checked where the quote came from.


I personally don't take my political/social lessons from a book written decades ago by a baptist fundamentalist.
Why is that? Because somehow, a nation CAN multiply wealth by dividing it? Forget what he is, is what he said true or not?

Or is this just another example of you not caring about the information being true or not, you would rather focus on the source.

Last edited by lowing (2011-09-18 16:59:21)

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