BF2S Forums Rep. Andre Carson, D- Indiana - words of wisdom

lowing wrote:

Can white congressmen get away with forming a whites only caucus,

The Tea Party Caucus is a caucus of the United States House of Representatives and Senate launched and chaired by Minnesota Congresswoman Michele Bachmann on July 16, 2010.[1] The caucus is dedicated to promoting what it considers fiscal responsibility, adherence to the movement's interpretation of the Constitution, and limited government. The idea of a Tea Party Caucus originated from Kentucky Senator Rand Paul when he was campaigning for his current seat.

Last edited by 13urnzz (2011-09-14 21:24:31)

FEOS wrote:

lowing wrote:

FEOS wrote:

No, I think Pug's just ignoring you at this point, lowing...because you seem to be ignoring everything but yourself.

It appears he said yes to humor you and run that hypothetical conversation through to the end...which was pure satire. He clearly doesn't think the CBC is racist, nor does he think any race-based caucus is racist.

You've disagreed. You're not changing his mind. He's not changing yours.

Let. It. Go.

I am not ignoring anything. It is simply that nothing he is posting is relevant to the argument that a whites only groups are considered racist....as evidenced by the tea party, and that isn't even race specific.

and nothing he posted and you cited answered the direct question of, did he think whites only groups were racist?, with a direct answer. yes or no.

Instead he danced around what a caucus is, and the "rules", and that under those rules a whites only caucus could form etc etc...but never answered the question directly.

and since you seem to want to be involved so badly. How about you answer it. Can white congressmen get away with forming a whites only caucus, have ties to KKK, like the CBC has ties with the NAACP and BLack Panthers, and champion ONLY white people causes, while excluding all black people from their midst? Whatcha thinkin? yes, no?

Can they get away with it? Absolutely not. They would be crucified for being racists...and rightly so.

IMO, race-specific caucuses have no place in government, and the double-standard that exists (and is pushed in many cases) is sickening. The second that the CBC excluded a white member based on their race--even though his constituency was majority black--they should have been disbanded. So, to modify my earlier statement, the only race-specific caucuses that should exist should be based on constituent demographics, not Congressional member race--because that is the only way it should play into the discussion. The race of the representative is irrelevant.

Was that direct enough for you?

13urnzz wrote:

lowing wrote:

Here is your tea party favorite.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_Cain

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Keyes

and in general.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38558455/ns … nF-CHNdo-A

Are you saying that the tea party caucus has openly refused black members? Is that your charge?

Herman Cain (born December 13, 1945) is an American businessman, politician, columnist, and radio host from Georgia. He is the former chairman and CEO of Godfather's Pizza and a former deputy chairman (1992–94) and chairman (1995–96) of the board of directors to the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City.

not a member of the United States Congress, ineligible to join O'Bachmann's caucus.

Alan Lee Keyes (born August 7, 1950) is an American conservative political activist, author, former diplomat, and perennial candidate for public office.[1][2] A doctoral graduate of Harvard University, Keyes began his diplomatic career in the U.S. Foreign Service in 1979 at the United States consulate in Bombay, India and later in the American embassy in Zimbabwe.

not a member of the United States Congress, ineligible to join O'Bachmann's caucus.

what i'm saying is, you enjoy creating facts, as i've just proved.

you are entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts.

13urnzz wrote:

lowing wrote:

13urnzz wrote:

lowing wrote:

Here is your tea party favorite.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_Cain

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Keyes

and in general.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38558455/ns … nF-CHNdo-A

Are you saying that the tea party caucus has openly refused black members? Is that your charge?

Herman Cain (born December 13, 1945) is an American businessman, politician, columnist, and radio host from Georgia. He is the former chairman and CEO of Godfather's Pizza and a former deputy chairman (1992–94) and chairman (1995–96) of the board of directors to the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City.

not a member of the United States Congress, ineligible to join O'Bachmann's caucus.


not a member of the United States Congress, ineligible to join O'Bachmann's caucus.

what i'm saying is, you enjoy creating facts, as i've just proved.

you are entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts.

the facts are , the tea party caucus is not denying admission to black congressmen. Or is your "facts" maintaining that no black congressmen want to join that the tea party is now racist and excluding them?  For the record, the CBC denies whites admission.

Plenty of black membership in the tea party movement. Do you doubt for a moment the tea party caucus would not allow the 2 gentlemen mentioned to join if they were elected to office?

that's pretty and all, about herman cain and alan keyes, i simply asked for help identifying members of the official Michelle O'Bachman Congressional Tea Party Caucus.

you failed.

13urnzz wrote:

lowing wrote:

I failed.

13urnzz wrote:

you, never answered the question either.




which members of the Congressional Tea Party Caucus, are minorities? i've asked for a little help because i honestly don't know.

to gain that knowledge i really don't mind applying the bullshit arm-twisting tactics that you've employed, lo, these many years.

you can create your own opinion, but you can't create your own facts.

Last edited by lowing (2011-09-15 06:21:55)

13urnzz wrote:

you, never answered the question either.




which members of the Congressional Tea Party Caucus, are minorities? i've asked for a little help because i honestly don't know.

to gain that knowledge i really don't mind applying the bullshit arm-twisting tactics that you've employed, lo, these many years.

you can create your own opinion, but you can't create your own facts.

Pug wrote:

lowing wrote:

Well Pug, how do you feel about the NAACP or the Black Panthers? Racist?

Because those groups have involvement with the CBC either by membership, or support. So tell me, can a white congressman get away with belonging to a whites only group within the govt. and have support or involvement with a whites only group like the KKK without being considered a racist? No? Well, welcome to the argument.

Why are you bringing in groups that aren't composed of legislators?

Aka, since when was the KKK and the Panthers a caucus?  Shall I retype the definition again?

Last edited by lowing (2011-09-15 07:35:07)

Pug wrote:

Well, if we are considering who is racist, I have my own opinion right now.

Sorry I can't play much beyond a comment or two today.  Can you wait until tommorrow to continue your twisting of reality?

Last edited by lowing (2011-09-15 09:48:25)