BF2S Forums Rep. Andre Carson, D- Indiana - words of wisdom

lowing wrote:

Pug wrote:

You already have a direct answer.

Learn to fucking read.

No Pug, ya didn't. I ask you a direct yes or no question. You did not give me a direct yes or no answer. You fed me a line ambiguous bullshit. No go back and read what I asked and answer it yes or no

Telling me you think a whites only group has just as much a right to assemble is not telling me if you think it is a racist group. Also asking me if I think the legislative system works is NOT telling me if you think a whites only organization is racist.

oh you added.

I think I answered that with my opening line in this thread.

"i'm with lowing, whites have the same right to be as racist as blacks".

Now, the context you are implying is that these groups operated WITHOUT the context of a properly working LSO...is twisting the truth lowing.

Nice try.

Ps, back to the beginning...definition of a caucus...a faction within a legislative body that pursues its interests through the legislative process

Really, so your argument boils down to ignoring the rules governing LSOs by me saying yes to whites only?

How about I argue the whole thing for you to save time.

pug: yes
lowing: ok, well then why doesn't that apply to the cbc
pug: because LSO's have rules against discrimination
low: really? i had no idea i completely ignore those rules, therefore your argument is false
pug: oh crap. but the cbc isn't discriminatory
low: no, it is.  because this one guy said some shit about the tea party, and they won't allow other races to join
pug: wow, good call.  a white guy absolutely knows how to be a black dude and therefore should be allowed to join the cbc
low: i suggest enimem or vanilla ice
pug: i totally get it.  all other LSO's can exist, but the one's based on race are wrong
low: yup, if it's okay to have a black LSO, then there should be a white LSO
pug: wow, really.  i guess white folk missed out, just because black people are more organized. 
low: i reckon so
pug: rats.
pug: wait...i have a question about discrimination.
low: go on
pug: so like when a woman's caucus forms that's not discrimatory
low: no, discrimination is only race
pug: rats, so how about old people?  those are not allowed i guess
low: sure
pug: what if its an old jewish lesbian who belongs to three caucuses: the old, the lesbian, and the hebrew caucuses?
low: are they black?
pug: maybe
low: well, i can't answer that yet
pug: so basically only discrimination happens with race?
low: that's right
pug: wow i had no idea that the government is out of control.  how many race specific laws do we have?
low: none so far.
pug: so how many black laws has the cbc got in place so far?
low: none so far
pug: really?  wow, so the systems is broken...despite there's no racially discriminating laws in place
low: yep, shattered actually
pug: wow our legislation system is shit because its full of racist assholes


Feel free to stay on topic next time lowing, aka reality.

lowing wrote:

Were you really trying to hide the fact that you would consider a "whites only" organization within our govt. a racist organization in all of your bullshit above? pathetic. Food for thought Pug, the KKK is a whites only organization, and it doesn't get any policies passed either, none the less, it is still a racist organization but at least it isn't made up of congressmen.

No, actually my conversation with you ends a little more succinctly than what you posted. It ends by pointing out the double standard and illogical and irrational opinion you hold regarding the issue of what is racist and what isn't. That double standard you hold as well as many others, is after all the topic, not the definition of caucus or the fact that the CBC isn't the only one.

Thanks for playing and being honest, but most of all, thanks for proving me right.

So in other words, let's forget the rules allowing the CBC to exist and brand it as a racist organization.

Pug wrote:

lowing wrote:

Were you really trying to hide the fact that you would consider a "whites only" organization within our govt. a racist organization in all of your bullshit above? pathetic. Food for thought Pug, the KKK is a whites only organization, and it doesn't get any policies passed either, none the less, it is still a racist organization but at least it isn't made up of congressmen.

No, actually my conversation with you ends a little more succinctly than what you posted. It ends by pointing out the double standard and illogical and irrational opinion you hold regarding the issue of what is racist and what isn't. That double standard you hold as well as many others, is after all the topic, not the definition of caucus or the fact that the CBC isn't the only one.

Thanks for playing and being honest, but most of all, thanks for proving me right.

So in other words, let's forget the rules allowing the CBC to exist and brand it as a racist organization.

I wouldn't forget the "rules" if they were relevant to the double standard on which the CBC exists, or the racist Carson's comments, or their exclusionary policies of other races, or when you admit, under the same "rules", a whites only group would be considered racist.

Whine more.



Do you have any idea how ignorant it is to tell someone the CBC is exactly the same as the KKK?

Its a ridiculous comparison.

Definition of a caucus.  Rules governing LSOs.

Tea Party gets labeled racist, it defends itself.

The CBC gets labeled racist, it defends itself.

Oh wait, you don't agree with the CBC's platform so obviously it should not be given the same right.

lowing wrote:

FEOS wrote:

lowing, your question's been answered:

Pug wrote:

So in other words, that's a NOT RACISM for me and a YES RACISM for you.

It's clear his answer to your question is NO.

Please move on.

No FEOS, http://forums.bf2s.com/post.php?tid=143 … id=3643449 this was his response and my counter.

Clearly his answer was ambiguous and hardly the yes or no answer the question called for.

The only one who finds his answer ambiguous is you, it seems.

Well Pug, how do you feel about the NAACP or the Black Panthers? Racist?

Because those groups have involvement with the CBC either by membership, or support. So tell me, can a white congressman get away with belonging to a whites only group within the govt. and have support or involvement with a whites only group like the KKK without being considered a racist? No? Well, welcome to the argument.

Last edited by lowing (2011-09-14 17:02:09)

FEOS wrote:

lowing wrote:

FEOS wrote:

The only one who finds his answer ambiguous is you, it seems.

In this forum? Oh, I have no doubt.

In reading his responses--particularly the one I quoted--it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure out his position.

really? and yet he could not state it by a simple yes or no answer like he did later in the thread..

By the way FEOS, he answered yes...............( eventually)

a "rocket surgeon" whatever that is, could see he was dancing around a straight answer because he could not give a straight answer, be honest about it, and not adhere to the double standard that was my point.

Last edited by lowing (2011-09-14 17:19:45)

FEOS wrote:

via PM? Because he sure didn't in this thread...

ya he did
http://forums.bf2s.com/post.php?tid=143 … id=3643631

FEOS wrote:

lowing wrote:

FEOS wrote:

via PM? Because he sure didn't in this thread...

ya he did
http://forums.bf2s.com/post.php?tid=143 … id=3643631

Um...that doesn't say he thinks it's racist, lowing.

Why the hell am I even involved in this?

Then maybe you can explain what the answer of "YES" means when asked if he thought a whites only group would be racist as indicated in the post.

and you are right, why are you even involved. Hell even Pug isn't denying he said yes. You are and he is the one who answered it.

Last edited by lowing (2011-09-14 20:58:55)

FEOS wrote:

No, I think Pug's just ignoring you at this point, lowing...because you seem to be ignoring everything but yourself.

It appears he said yes to humor you and run that hypothetical conversation through to the end...which was pure satire. He clearly doesn't think the CBC is racist, nor does he think any race-based caucus is racist.

You've disagreed. You're not changing his mind. He's not changing yours.

Let. It. Go.

I am not ignoring anything. It is simply that nothing he is posting is relevant to the argument that a whites only groups are considered racist....as evidenced by the tea party, and that isn't even race specific.

and nothing he posted and you cited answered the direct question of, did he think whites only groups were racist?, with a direct answer. yes or no.

Instead he danced around what a caucus is, and the "rules", and that under those rules a whites only caucus could form etc etc...but never answered the question directly.

and since you seem to want to be involved so badly. How about you answer it. Can white congressmen get away with forming a whites only caucus, have ties to KKK, like the CBC has ties with the NAACP and BLack Panthers, and champion ONLY white people causes, while excluding all black people from their midst? Whatcha thinkin? yes, no?