BF2S Forums What would you do if you walked in on a burglar?

FatherTed wrote:

jesus christ will you drop that tired line

as you've been told (numerous times);

in england (and the UK as a whole) we can

a)own firearms
b)own other 'deadly' weapons
c)defend ourselves and our property

You beat us there.
We can own a firearms, but it's pretty hard and you wont be able to use it against a burglar because you have to keep the weapon and the ammo in seperate safes at all times.
You are allowed to own a sword or knife as long as it only has 1 sharp edge.
I wouldn't use any of the above mentioned items against a burglar unless its really, really fucking necessary (besides the firearm, never use it)

lowing wrote:

FatherTed wrote:

yup pretty much. i wouldn't trade my life (or anyone else i cared about) over stuff thats happily replaced lowing. if you'd rather 'stand your ground and defend your property and your rights' and all that lovely stuff that gets people killed well thats your call.

you really think defending yourself and your property is about getting people killed? It is about DEFENDING yourself and your property. THat does not mean someone automatically has to die.

Of course using your method and willingly allow yourself to be victimized might save a life as well. Then again it might not.

um where guns and people not entirely trained in using guns are involved, people generally do die lowing.

Kampframmer wrote:

FatherTed wrote:

jesus christ will you drop that tired line

as you've been told (numerous times);

in england (and the UK as a whole) we can

a)own firearms
b)own other 'deadly' weapons
c)defend ourselves and our property

You beat us there.
We can own a firearms, but it's pretty hard and you wont be able to use it against a burglar because you have to keep the weapon and the ammo in seperate safes at all times.
You are allowed to own a sword or knife as long as it only has 1 sharp edge.
I wouldn't use any of the above mentioned items against a burglar unless its really, really fucking necessary (besides the firearm, never use it)

ours are just a safe (a secondary safe inside can hold ammo) bolted to a supporting wall in the house. in some counties police will check the status of your safe and so on a few times a year. if its at hand and you feel your life is in danger, fire away

FatherTed wrote:

Kampframmer wrote:

FatherTed wrote:

jesus christ will you drop that tired line

as you've been told (numerous times);

in england (and the UK as a whole) we can

a)own firearms
b)own other 'deadly' weapons
c)defend ourselves and our property

You beat us there.
We can own a firearms, but it's pretty hard and you wont be able to use it against a burglar because you have to keep the weapon and the ammo in seperate safes at all times.
You are allowed to own a sword or knife as long as it only has 1 sharp edge.
I wouldn't use any of the above mentioned items against a burglar unless its really, really fucking necessary (besides the firearm, never use it)

ours are just a safe (a secondary safe inside can hold ammo) bolted to a supporting wall in the house. in some counties police will check the status of your safe and so on a few times a year. if its at hand and you feel your life is in danger, fire away

Serious?
You're never allowed to use your firearm or even have it loaded outside of the range whatever the situation.

You can't even have ammo and your gun with you simultaneously when you're driving to a range IIRC

btw lowing teds is the only one from the UK in this thread

FatherTed wrote:

Kampframmer wrote:

FatherTed wrote:

jesus christ will you drop that tired line

as you've been told (numerous times);

in england (and the UK as a whole) we can

a)own firearms
b)own other 'deadly' weapons
c)defend ourselves and our property

You beat us there.
We can own a firearms, but it's pretty hard and you wont be able to use it against a burglar because you have to keep the weapon and the ammo in seperate safes at all times.
You are allowed to own a sword or knife as long as it only has 1 sharp edge.
I wouldn't use any of the above mentioned items against a burglar unless its really, really fucking necessary (besides the firearm, never use it)

ours are just a safe (a secondary safe inside can hold ammo) bolted to a supporting wall in the house. in some counties police will check the status of your safe and so on a few times a year. if its at hand and you feel your life is in danger, fire away

ever wonder how you are gunna have time to go to your safe, open it, get your gun, run to another safe get your ammo load your gun and fire, without getting shot first? Just askin cuz it doesn't really sound like a method of self defense if you ask me.

supporting wall lowing. that could be a bedroom wall for example. doesn't have to be in a random outhouse

FatherTed wrote:

lowing wrote:

FatherTed wrote:

um where guns and people not entirely trained in using guns are involved, people generally do die lowing.

no fatherted, people only die when someone pulls the trigger and then it is still a maybe. By drawing down on a criminal does not mean he is going to die. It means you aren't.

and could you ever get the 'you won't die' part down to 100%?

nope nothing is 100% in random situations. but you are definitely beating the odds if you are the one pointing the gun at the criminal and not the other way around.

and even with a 1% risk you would be happy to gamble? the stakes are rather high

lowing wrote:

BlAiR_AgaiN wrote:

lowing wrote:

wow, beer just came out of my nose on this one!!  thats an amazing attitude.

So what's the right attitude? to shoot him? To beat him with a baseball bat? Over a stolen dvd player?

The right attitude is to take ANY unlawful entrance into your home as a direct threat to you or your family. In America, as I am allowed to defend myself, and I CCW, I would draw down on him and the choice then becomes his. Either way he decides, he will not be leaving my home with my stuff.

As for you in jolly ole England, can't help ya, your govt. has forbidden you the right to defend yourself by any real method, so yeah hel pthe criminal load your stuff in his car is really your only choice if you don't want to endanger yourself.

First of all, I'm not even from England man.
Secondly, any normal person here doesn't even think about keeping a gun in the home (unless he's a police officer or has affiliation with the army, even they aren't allowed to carry guns around freely (talking about soldiers off duty)) and the rate of burglaries isn't that low, they happen quite frequently. But there's almost NEVER and by never I really mean never any casualties or wounded. That's probably connected with the strict gun laws and the fact that no one can overreact and shoot/kill, either the burglar or the victim.
But I guess when you have millions of guns in the circulation your views shift and morph into the thinking that every delinquent out there is out to get you and your family.

Last edited by BlAiR_AgaiN (2011-08-20 14:16:55)

SEREMAKER wrote:

are these allowed for you guys

Fuck no

FatherTed wrote:

i'd rather a 0% and a loss of a dvd player for example

I dunno ted im not gonna let someone leave with my shit tbh

because of the handgun thing or because its not bolted into the wall ... because it can be