unnamednewbie13
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This has been covered in many posts, including mine. The only reason I'm responding to your post is that there isn't any reason that, given the obvious performance gain from 2GB over 1GB of RAM, that someone already planning on spending roughly USD$1K on a computer shouldn't get 2GB instead of 1GB, and, for that matter, the 7900GT over the 7600.

Shame on Maximum PC.

atlvolunteer wrote:

This looks like a decent system for someone on a budget. It does expect you to already have some components (speakers, kb, mouse, monitor) and you would need to buy a sound card unless you wanted to use the subpar onboard sound, but it is a good starting point.
CPU: AMD Athlon 3700+ $230
RAM: 1GB Corsair PC3200 $75
Videocard: nVidia 7600 GT $225
Hard Drive: WD Caviar SE 16 250 GB $110
Mobo: Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe
Optical Drive: BenQ DW1655 $55
PSU: Antec TruePower 2.0 550W $115
Case: Kingwin SK-523BKW $55

Total: $975

It won't break any benchmarks, but what do you expect for $1000?
I would probably upgrade the CPU to an X2 and the video to a 7900 GT...
Or, like others, you can go the Opteron/OC route.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2006-05-18 02:22:16)

Cybargs
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i agree w/ unnamednewbie13, go w/ opteron/OC route.

but for a few hundred bucks i would add an extra GBand take a 7900gt instead of 7600gt, more future proof
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vjs
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Greed on the memory and video card of course.

But using his prices it would have put him way over 1000 dollars.

I'm wondering if we should start a thread of deals???

I'd also conside going the dual opteron route... Probably do that for my next machine. You get slightly increased memory latency and it's a little more expensive, but you can run dual dual channel with the ??NUDA?? 4 sticks.

The oppies themselves are not that much more expensive for the 2XX series and you can actually find some deals on the 244 246's etc.

I might even go dual 242's and 4G of registered, with the obvious upgrade path to dual core. SLI of course since I'd plan on keeping the machine for several years.

My dual barton socket A still plays games very well and it's about 3 years old now.
slo5oh
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vjs wrote:

I'm wondering if we should start a thread of deals???
a thread here on deals will never compete... just go to www.fatwallet.com.

vjs wrote:

sol5oh,
Well your overclocking he was asking for his current rig setup and yes his prices are high.
I don't see how you managed to buy all that for 900 but congrats.
Can you provide links and prices you paid, seriously I'm not say you can't do it but wow that's shopping around.
Part of the reason I only upgrade my current system. Never buy entirely new wait for the deals and overclock etc.
I posed all my prices in a different post here... no idea where now though.  That's how I figured the roughly $900   lemme see what I can recall now...

operton 146 $160 shipped from monarch with a coupon from fatwallet
ecs kn1 sli lite $99 from fry's.  They are cheaper right now from newegg though
2 gig ddr500 $158 +tax and shipping
seagate 160 gig drive $40ish after MIR (fry's had them on sale every few weeks a couple months back)
antec super lan boy $40ish (again a fry's sale)
7800GT $279 + tax and shipping (this was my biggest hit, since I paid roughly full price at the time)
power supply?  currenly it's a thermaltake 430w that was around $25 after MIR.

That's only $800... I didn't add in the XP-90 HSF ($30) or the zalman vga cooler ($30ish).  It took me around a month of watching for deals to buy all the parts and it started as an a64 3500, but the chip ran super hot and I was disgusted with the pitiful OCing potential.  If I build another one I'll probably start with the no SLI board (only $45 at newegg right now) and buy either a big typhoon or a big copper zalman and remove the IHS.

Last edited by slo5oh (2006-05-18 12:22:42)

Janus67
Tech God
+86|6588|Ohio, USA

vjs wrote:

Personally I think when your on a budget like that spending 50 bucks on a sound card is a little too much and you can always upgrade the sound later. It's not the old days where if you don't buy a sound card you don't get sound.

I also think the prices for the optical drive, powersupply and case are a little high.

Should be able to find a dvdr for about 30 bucks on sale or with a redate, don't need to go for some high end pioneer or sony just a generic.

As for the powersupply and case wow that's alot to spend on a budget, 17% of your money just for a case and P/S? With that setup you wouldn't need the 550W anyways. (Good choice sure but you don't need it... I'm guessing this is part of the starting point? If so good choice.)

The drive is decent but I'd get a raptor 10K drive even if it cost more.

1G of memory... not good choice at all.

but it is a good starting point.
No can't say a good starting point, decent computer yes but not a good starting point. I personally think you did well at spending 1000 bucks but you don't have a starting point you have a decent 1000 machine.

A starting point is not purchasing alot of middle road stuff which you have listed with the exception of the power and case.

A good starting point has obvious drawbacks that are easily upgradeable and other points that are beyond the current computer.

Good starting points in current rig are the, power and case, as well as the board. Depending on how you look at it maybe the video not sure.

Too make it a better starting point...
Get a raptor with the intention of later installing a larger harddrive for storage.
Get 2G of ram since the rest of the system will build into it and 2G should be enough for a couple years.

Then cheap out in places:
Get a 3200+ or the cheapest used dirty 939 since it's going to be the first thing you yank! (E-bay b/c you don't care if its junk or used)


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Personal suggestion on the above to make it a good starting point yet spending around $1000 starting point machine.

First that optical drive is too much Sub $55 with $30 I get $25 bucks back.
Spend that $25 and the cost of the 250G and upgrade to a raptor 72G might be short a little here.

The XP3200 is about 80 bucks cheaper than the 3700 and the 3200 is probably enough for now (<-- Here is your weak point that will later need an upgrade)
Take that 80 bucks and upgrade your memory from cheap 1G stuff to really good high performance 2G stuff (this makes another strong point).

I'd leave the video and board alone I think they are both good choice, when the 7600's come down to ~100 bucks you can SLI it. But isn't the 6800GS cheaper and about the same performace? (Not sure on this if you have the budget for the 7600 go for it otherwise cheap out on this last)


Now with what you have listed and my changes you have a solid system... probably overclock that XP3200 (you don't care about it right) to 3500 speeds with the decent memory.

Then get a dual core later that's your first obvious upgrade path and you didn't waste too much money on the first CPU.

Second upgrade path would be another harddrive, another not throwing away anything.

GPU's are tough, I'd consider a video card that could be throw away for later but the 7600 might make a nice SLI system later and you havn't broke the bankl with it.
I hate quoting such a lengthy post but...

the power supply is probably one of the top 3 most important parts of the computer.  It will define the stability, strength, upgrade room, and more of your computer.  Grant it, the $115 isn't necessary, although the lowest I would go is maybe a $70 power supply, such as the FSP Group AX500 (Blue storm) from ewiz.com.  Buying a power supply that is cheaply made (Deer, Arrow, Aspire, etc) just do not compare with the better power supplies. 

For the processor, I assume you mean the A643200+, not the AXP3200+, seeing how one is a 32bit processor and the other is 64bit (along with the much improved, onboard memory controller), it would be a large waste of money to get a 2-generation old processor.

The optical drive I think is fine, although I would probably get a Lite-On 16x DVD+/-RW for about $35 or something around there.

1GB of ram is fine for most users, except those of us that like to play with high detail, have little wait time, etc and want to have 2+gb of ram (myself included).
slo5oh
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stryyker wrote:

lol @ exactly my comp - the case and mobo
you OCing?
RoofusMcDoofus
Member
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washow wrote:

if you want to spend thousand bucks on something that will last about 2 months, go ahead
If you want to have something, you get it, because if you're waiting for the Next Thing around the bend to either lower prices on existing products or components, or because you always want the Bleeding Edge products--you'll be waiting for f$&@*%^ forever!

Get something you'll like for a while, ignore everything else until you feel the need to upgrade again, and you'll be much happier.
acidkiller187
Member
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Become a man whore ! lol two or three nights with some ugly fat chicks
okay make it five. Five times $300 = a pretty nice rig

Last edited by acidkiller187 (2006-05-18 13:21:12)

vjs
Member
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Sol5oh,

Man I love it!!! Personally I have no real idea what I have in my machine it's constantly upgraded through deals, trades etc. Every once in a while a gain or loose a harddrive, ZIP.

Pretty much stuck with my case 550W P/S, 15K scsi
2G of ram and x850 AGP card however.

But then again it will soon be time for ddr2 and PCI-e...

I'll keep that site marked in my fav's thanks.

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