lowing
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Shocking wrote:

I dunno if its that bad tbh. Riots / protests happen quite a lot over here (like in Paris, Spain, London etc) if people were allowed to carry it'd be a bloodbath every time.

For personal defense... pick a fighting sport and stay in shape.
Law abiding citizens that carry don't usually wind up rioting over here. There are places I can not carry, and in such places I respect the law. A citizen taking a gun to a riot is breaking GA law. There is a law that forbids guns to be carried to events where people gather for a specific purpose. Like sporting events, political rallies, concerts etc.. I am quite sure a person bringing a gun to a riot would get nailed.

Last edited by lowing (2011-08-20 12:29:16)

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My first reaction would be to grab a weapon and begin negotiations.
Shocking
sorry you feel that way
+333|6239|...
Ya well people can be pretty violent around these parts of the world. We're not really used to tolerating eachothers shit as much as you Americans are. Take the westboro church for example, it would've been blown up long ago if it stood here.
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lowing
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Shocking wrote:

Ya well people can be pretty violent around these parts of the world. We're not really used to tolerating eachothers shit as much as you Americans are. Take the westboro church for example, it would've been blown up long ago if it stood here.
Well thats a new angle, now the US is more tolerant than Europe? What happened to the belief that we are all gun toting cowboys hell bent on killing everyone?
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Shocking wrote:

Ya well people can be pretty violent around these parts of the world. We're not really used to tolerating eachothers shit as much as you Americans are. Take the westboro church for example, it would've been blown up long ago if it stood here.


would you like a plane ticket over here
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Shocking
sorry you feel that way
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If you arrange some c4.....
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Shocking wrote:

If you arrange some c4.....
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M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6463|Escea

A) Tell them to fuck off.

Failing that...

B) Throw something and attack with something else.

Failing that...

C) Bail.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6891|USA

M.O.A.B wrote:

A) Tell them to fuck off.

Failing that...

B) Throw something and attack with something else.

Failing that...

C) Bail.
give me strength
Kampframmer
Esq.
+313|5082|Amsterdam
Shooting a burglar? You've got to be kidding me.
Maybe in America I would consider this option, given that i can own a gun, but so can most burglars.

Burglars here just want your shit to get money. They feel lucky enough if they get away and they don't want to add assault, murder, or carrying a weapon (even a knife or pepperspray is an illegal weapon here) on top of breaking and entering if they get caught.
So they run the fuck away if they see you or notice that you are home.

So waht would i Do? Call the cops. Simple as that.
Until they arrive i will try and prevent him from getting away with anything and if i notice he has a weapon i will chill and wait for him to leave or until the cops show up.
Why do i see so very few people say that they would call the cops? We're not all cowboys you know.
Kampframmer
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+313|5082|Amsterdam
In fact, i would try not to harm the fucker as it has happened several times here when a burglar got hurt that the person that did it (most lilely the owner) got charged with assualt.

We even had a case of an elderly couple pushing a burglar and he fell on a pointy fence and died. they were convicted of manslaughter.
Our govt doesn't like it when people other than the miltary or police use violence.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6891|USA

Kampframmer wrote:

Shooting a burglar? You've got to be kidding me.
Maybe in America I would consider this option, given that i can own a gun, but so can most burglars.

Burglars here just want your shit to get money. They feel lucky enough if they get away and they don't want to add assault, murder, or carrying a weapon (even a knife or pepperspray is an illegal weapon here) on top of breaking and entering if they get caught.
So they run the fuck away if they see you or notice that you are home.

So waht would i Do? Call the cops. Simple as that.
Until they arrive i will try and prevent him from getting away with anything and if i notice he has a weapon i will chill and wait for him to leave or until the cops show up.
Why do i see so very few people say that they would call the cops? We're not all cowboys you know.
Because calling the cops and hoping they show up in enough time to stop him or help you is not very practical.

As I said, in england sadly you have 2 choices let him take your shit, or put yourself in danger to try and stop him. Personally, I like a govt. that allows me the right to defend myself and my property.
Kampframmer
Esq.
+313|5082|Amsterdam

lowing wrote:

Personally, I like a govt. that allows me the right to defend myself and my property.
Ours doesn't.
lowing
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+1,662|6891|USA

Kampframmer wrote:

In fact, i would try not to harm the fucker as it has happened several times here when a burglar got hurt that the person that did it (most lilely the owner) got charged with assualt.

We even had a case of an elderly couple pushing a burglar and he fell on a pointy fence and died. they were convicted of manslaughter.
Our govt doesn't like it when people other than the miltary or police use violence.
Well I think I am going to throw up again.
FatherTed
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+3,936|6740|so randum
(in england we have the right to defend ourselves and property fwiw)
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FatherTed
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there was a case a few weeks ago where a guy stabbed a burglar to death, and after investigation no charges were brought
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Kampframmer
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+313|5082|Amsterdam

lowing wrote:

Kampframmer wrote:

In fact, i would try not to harm the fucker as it has happened several times here when a burglar got hurt that the person that did it (most lilely the owner) got charged with assualt.

We even had a case of an elderly couple pushing a burglar and he fell on a pointy fence and died. they were convicted of manslaughter.
Our govt doesn't like it when people other than the miltary or police use violence.
Well I think I am going to throw up again.
Self defense laws here are extremely strict and it's really hard to get away with.
If pish would really come to shove and my family or myself would be in danger and there was no way taht the cop could help, than yes, i would defend myself using whatever weapon is available, and even then I'm taking a huge risk.
lowing
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FatherTed wrote:

(in england we have the right to defend ourselves and property fwiw)
ummmm letting them take your shit, or put yourself in harms way with no real method of defense, is not a defense against an invader/attacker.
FatherTed
xD
+3,936|6740|so randum

lowing wrote:

FatherTed wrote:

(in england we have the right to defend ourselves and property fwiw)
ummmm letting them take your shit, or put yourself in harms way with no real method of defense, is not a defense against an invader/attacker.
sorry about your post
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lowing
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Kampframmer wrote:

lowing wrote:

Kampframmer wrote:

In fact, i would try not to harm the fucker as it has happened several times here when a burglar got hurt that the person that did it (most lilely the owner) got charged with assualt.

We even had a case of an elderly couple pushing a burglar and he fell on a pointy fence and died. they were convicted of manslaughter.
Our govt doesn't like it when people other than the miltary or police use violence.
Well I think I am going to throw up again.
Self defense laws here are extremely strict and it's really hard to get away with.
If pish would really come to shove and my family or myself would be in danger and there was no way taht the cop could help, than yes, i would defend myself using whatever weapon is available, and even then I'm taking a huge risk.
pretty sad dontcha think?
Kampframmer
Esq.
+313|5082|Amsterdam

FatherTed wrote:

(in england we have the right to defend ourselves and property fwiw)
We have that as well, only problem is, their very hard to plead in court.
If i punch a burglar once or twice the cops wont mind, but if the burglar will press charger or if it gets to court one way or another, i'll be fucked.
Kampframmer
Esq.
+313|5082|Amsterdam

lowing wrote:

Kampframmer wrote:

lowing wrote:


Well I think I am going to throw up again.
Self defense laws here are extremely strict and it's really hard to get away with.
If pish would really come to shove and my family or myself would be in danger and there was no way taht the cop could help, than yes, i would defend myself using whatever weapon is available, and even then I'm taking a huge risk.
pretty sad dontcha think?
And yet, our society hasn't collapsed. How odd.....
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6891|USA

FatherTed wrote:

lowing wrote:

FatherTed wrote:

(in england we have the right to defend ourselves and property fwiw)
ummmm letting them take your shit, or put yourself in harms way with no real method of defense, is not a defense against an invader/attacker.
sorry about your post
and I am sorry, you exist at the whims of criminals.
FatherTed
xD
+3,936|6740|so randum

Kampframmer wrote:

FatherTed wrote:

(in england we have the right to defend ourselves and property fwiw)
We have that as well, only problem is, their very hard to plead in court.
If i punch a burglar once or twice the cops wont mind, but if the burglar will press charger or if it gets to court one way or another, i'll be fucked.
i think the key phrase for us is 'justifiable'

so if you can argue that you felt your life was in danger, and you go on to kill the guy its fine and no jury should convict you.

if however you do stuff like shoot them in the back (was a high profile case a few years ago about a farmer that did this) or for whatever reason intice them into your home for the sole purpose of killing them, then well prepare your anus


ed-, yeah what shocking said.

Last edited by FatherTed (2011-08-20 13:43:28)

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Shocking
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nah those laws have been changing recently. Almost anything goes if they're on your property stealing shit, short of opportune violence i.e. assaulting him while hes down.
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