If he attacks me and I might take the opportunity to legally kill him.
Those only come once in a lifetime.
Those only come once in a lifetime.
Being 1.80-ish and 65 kg, probably not a whole lot.
not entirely sure why i'm bothering...lowing wrote:
really? like what? I mean you are not gunna interfere because you can't be bothered to protect your own property, so tell me, whats the difference? By your attitude, if ya helped him, he would leave sooner, right?FatherTed wrote:
don't over-exaggerate what i'm saying lowing. there's a difference between not getting in his way over something trivial and letting the police and insurance sort it out, and loading my shit in his car
ok in my explanation, i'm not too enthusiastic about risking my life over some rather easily replaceable electronics/whatever. you've somehow twisted this to be 'i'm a big cockbag who hates freedom and won't protect himself ra ra ra'. I already said, if the burglar or whatever poses a threat to me or someone i care about, then i'll do something.
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What you fail to understand, somehow, is his being in your home, IS a threat to you. Telling him to "GTFO" with your shit is ludicrous. What would stop him from coming back? Certainly not you apparently.FatherTed wrote:
not entirely sure why i'm bothering...lowing wrote:
really? like what? I mean you are not gunna interfere because you can't be bothered to protect your own property, so tell me, whats the difference? By your attitude, if ya helped him, he would leave sooner, right?FatherTed wrote:
don't over-exaggerate what i'm saying lowing. there's a difference between not getting in his way over something trivial and letting the police and insurance sort it out, and loading my shit in his car
ok in my explanation, i'm not too enthusiastic about risking my life over some rather easily replaceable electronics/whatever. you've somehow twisted this to be 'i'm a big cockbag who hates freedom and won't protect himself ra ra ra'. I already said, if the burglar or whatever poses a threat to me or someone i care about, then i'll do something.
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ok i think the bit you're missing (ignoring) is that if he's being aggressive (i.e, pulls a knife) i will 'stop him', so maybe you can stop this line of questioning;
would you happily pull a gun on someone in your house over something so insignificant that if escalated could leave your home without a breadwinner, or your kids without a dad?
if he's in my home happily nicking my shit, and he's already out the door i'm not going to chase him and risk a)getting myself injured killed, followed by b)depriving my mother/father, sister and nephew of a son/brother/unclelowing wrote:
What would stop him form coming back? Certainly not you apparently.
would you happily pull a gun on someone in your house over something so insignificant that if escalated could leave your home without a breadwinner, or your kids without a dad?
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All I did was tell the guy to "get out of my house" and he did.
No need to start throwing shit at him or charge at the man guns blazing
No need to start throwing shit at him or charge at the man guns blazing
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not sure how he can "be in your home nicking your shit" and already out the door at the same time, so tell ya what, you fix up the scenario how ever you like then get back with you, you are getting confused.FatherTed wrote:
ok i think the bit you're missing (ignoring) is that if he's being aggressive (i.e, pulls a knife) i will 'stop him', so maybe you can stop this line of questioning;if he's in my home happily nicking my shit, and he's already out the door i'm not going to chase him and risk a)getting myself injured killed, followed by b)depriving my mother/father, sister and nephew of a son/brother/unclelowing wrote:
What would stop him form coming back? Certainly not you apparently.
would you happily pull a gun on someone in your house over something so insignificant that if escalated could leave your home without a breadwinner, or your kids without a dad?
and to think if you had a CCW there would be no confusion, you walked in on him, meaning you surprised him meaning you have the upper hand and your gun drawn meaning he isn't gunna do shit except surrender and go to jail or get shot.
Lowing what weapon is your CCW?
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Lowing what weapon is your CCW?
looking back great, but it could have very easily been something else, and you damn well know it.Shocking wrote:
All I did was tell the guy to "get out of my house" and he did.
No need to start throwing shit at him or charge at the man guns blazing
How many times do you think you can just tell a criminal to leave and he obeys?
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ok, I ask because I was taught to carry a .45 if you want to kill and a 9 if you want to just wound somebody. Ideally, if I was being robbed I'd wanted a 9, as I don't think a guy robbing should be killed, but then again it's his choice to either stay put or try to escape, but in most other situations I'd want a .45
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epic derail there shifty
anyways
if I walked in on a burglar, it would depend on how big the guy is
if he looks tiny/younger/small, imma shank him
if he's bigger/buffer/etc, I'll just let him call and call the police
anyways
if I walked in on a burglar, it would depend on how big the guy is
if he looks tiny/younger/small, imma shank him
if he's bigger/buffer/etc, I'll just let him call and call the police
Well there are several arguments on that. A 9mm to the chest is more deadly than a .45 to the arm. People choose 9mm not because they wanna wound. THey choose 9mm because you get more rounds per clip and the recoil is more manageable thus re sighting your target faster for subsequent shots. the best gun to carry, no shit, is one you are good with and comfortable with regardless of caliber.-Sh1fty- wrote:
ok, I ask because I was taught to carry a .45 if you want to kill and a 9 if you want to just wound somebody. Ideally, if I was being robbed I'd wanted a 9, as I don't think a guy robbing should be killed, but then again it's his choice to either stay put or try to escape, but in most other situations I'd want a .45
I can handle myself quite well thank you, on top of that the guy was half my size. Look, the reality is that burglars are afraid of you. They don't want to get in fights. If you tell them to drop your shit and get out, there's a good chance they will.
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lol again with an equalizer size doesn't matter.Trotskygrad wrote:
epic derail there shifty
anyways
if I walked in on a burglar, it would depend on how big the guy is
if he looks tiny/younger/small, imma shank him
if he's bigger/buffer/etc, I'll just let him call and call the police
the fact is, if someone has balls enough to break into your home, he probably has balls enough to carry a weapon. Remember, if anyone needs to defend themselves it is burglars.Shocking wrote:
I can handle myself quite well thank you, on top of that the guy was half my size. Look, the reality is that burglars are afraid of you. They don't want to get in fights. If you tell them to drop your shit and get out, there's a good chance they will.
It is a dangerous game they play and they know it, expect them to have a weapon or are you so bad ass you can dodge a bullet or catch it in your teeth?
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size of the person doesn't matter, what they are taking doesn't matter .... if you're in my home un-invited you will meet the business end of my Glock, I have trigger control and won't pull the trigger unless you take it to the next level but push it and I'll put 2 in the chest and 1 in the head
its more then just property, its a since of security and fear that sits in with people after confronting a burglar in their home ..... your home is where you feel secure and safe
its more then just property, its a since of security and fear that sits in with people after confronting a burglar in their home ..... your home is where you feel secure and safe
If a burglar gets caught I'm pretty sure he realises its in his best interest to get away without a scratch on him... or you. If you don't challenge one to a fight there's a good chance both of you get out unharmed. That's what's important.lowing wrote:
the fact is, if someone has balls enough to break into your home, he probably has balls enough to carry a weapon. Remember, if anyone needs to defend themselves it is burglars.Shocking wrote:
I can handle myself quite well thank you, on top of that the guy was half my size. Look, the reality is that burglars are afraid of you. They don't want to get in fights. If you tell them to drop your shit and get out, there's a good chance they will.
It is a dangerous game they play and they know it, expect them to have a weapon or are you so bad ass you can dodge a bullet or catch it in your teeth?
Expect him to draw something if you try fight him, yeah.
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no if a burglar gets caught he feels he is backed into a corner. Now it is already dangerous, the only question left is, who is it more dangerous for, him or you? I have no intention of fighting anyone or challenge anyone. I am going to drawn down on the burglar making the situation more dangerous for him than for me. It then becomes his choice as to how he wants to leave my home, in cuffs or on a gurney.Shocking wrote:
If a burglar gets caught I'm pretty sure he realises its in his best interest to get away without a scratch on him... or you. If you don't challenge one to a fight there's a good chance both of you get out unharmed. That's what's important.lowing wrote:
the fact is, if someone has balls enough to break into your home, he probably has balls enough to carry a weapon. Remember, if anyone needs to defend themselves it is burglars.Shocking wrote:
I can handle myself quite well thank you, on top of that the guy was half my size. Look, the reality is that burglars are afraid of you. They don't want to get in fights. If you tell them to drop your shit and get out, there's a good chance they will.
It is a dangerous game they play and they know it, expect them to have a weapon or are you so bad ass you can dodge a bullet or catch it in your teeth?
Expect him to draw something if you try fight him, yeah.
What is important is, I am left unharmed. I don't give a fuck about his well being, that is for him to decide.
You might think I am trying to sound like a bad ass, I am not. It is those people that claim they will kick the shit out of the guy, or talk about how they are not afraid and can whip his ass that are talking tough. I am talking realistically I don't know if I can whip his ass, and I am not going to try and find out, I will just shoot him.
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By the way with that I'm not advocating that you should let him take your shit if he puts up a fight. That's where you do. The difference is that I don't live in America. I don't carry a gun, I don't carry a knife. Apart from large kitchen utensils I have no weapons in my home - if I get physical it's going to be personal and ugly. I can handle myself pretty well in a fight but I'd like to avoid it if possible.
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Completely understandable and sane. It is just a pity that your govt. only leaves you the choice of letting him go with your shit, or endanger yourself by protecting it.Shocking wrote:
By the way with that I'm not advocating that you should let him take your shit if he puts up a fight. That's where you do. The difference is that I don't live in America. I don't carry a gun, I don't carry a knife. Apart from large kitchen utensils I have no weapons in my home - if I get physical it's going to be personal and ugly. I can handle myself pretty well in a fight but I'd like to avoid it if possible.
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It is true we don't have the largest amount of options in self defence, especially when mostly only the criminals have weapons beyond kitchen utensils
are non-lethal ... like pepper spray outlawed
I dunno if its that bad tbh. Riots / protests happen quite a lot over here (like in Paris, Spain, London etc) if people were allowed to carry it'd be a bloodbath every time.
For personal defense... pick a fighting sport and stay in shape.
For personal defense... pick a fighting sport and stay in shape.
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Nothin much that can be said about that. Just glad you weren't hurt today.Shem wrote:
It is true we don't have the largest amount of options in self defence, especially when mostly only the criminals have weapons beyond kitchen utensils