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Some England riot sentences 'too severe'

BBC wrote:

MPs and justice campaigners say some of the sentences given to those involved in the riots in England are too harsh.

On Tuesday two men were jailed for four years for using Facebook to incite riots and another was given 18 months for having a stolen TV in his car.

Liberal Democrat MP Tom Brake said sentences "should be about restorative justice" not retribution.

But Communities Secretary Eric Pickles said tougher sentences would show there were consequences to disorder.

More than 2,770 people have been arrested in connection with last week's riots in a number of English cities.

By Tuesday afternoon, 1,277 suspects had appeared in court and 64% had been remanded in custody. In 2010 the remand rate at magistrates for serious offences was 10%.

On Wednesday, the Metropolitan Police announced that it has charged 1,005 people after 1,733 arrests over the rioting that swept through the capital. The force has a target of 3,000 convictions.

The force's Acting Commissioner Tim Godwin said the investigation was "far from over".

The courts and tribunals service says legal advisers in court have been advising magistrates to "consider whether their powers of punishment are sufficient in dealing with some cases arising from the recent disorder". Magistrates are able to refer cases to crown courts which have tougher sentencing powers.

A spokeswoman from the service said magistrates were independent and did not have to take direction from their legal advisors who are themselves independent of government.
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What we can't do, in my view, in situations like this, is suddenly throw the rule book away simply because there's a groundswell of opinion”
John Cooper QC

Mr Brake told the BBC's Newsnight that some of those convicted had received sentences which would have been different if they had committed the same crime the day before the riots.

He said it should be about restorative justice rather than retribution.

The former chair of the Criminal Bar Association, Paul Mendelle QC, told BBC 5 live: "When people get caught up and act out of character, in a similar way, there is a danger that the courts themselves may get caught up in a different kind of collective hysteria - I'm not suggesting violence or anything like that - but in purporting to reflect the public mood actually go over the top and hand out sentences which are too long and too harsh."

But Mr Pickles told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "We need to understand that people for a while thought that this was a crime without consequence - we cannot have people being frightened in their beds, frightened in their own homes for their public safety.

"That is why these kind of exemplary sentences are necessary. I think people would be rightly alarmed if that incitement to riot got off with just a slap on the wrist."

Lord McNally, Liberal Democrat Justice Minister, said the courts must operate independently and warned "it's dangerous when politicians try to do the sentencing".
Jesus Christ, 4 years? I agree that they whouls be dealt with seriously, but imo 4 years is a bit of a long sentence. Yes, yes, it'll probably be cut, and they'll get out early, but as a provisional sentence, 4 years is a bit strong, surely?
for a fatty you're a serious intellectual lightweight.
Shocking
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Considering that they "used facebook to incite riots" and then went on to cause an enormous amount of damage, I'm not so sure whether 4 years is 'too much'.

For all you know these are the guys who torched that 170 year old shop.

Last edited by Shocking (2011-08-17 03:55:19)

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No. 4 seems about right.
Spark
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This doesn't seem that out of place compared to the guys who got a fairly sizeable jail term for *gasp* swearing at police.
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Normally i would think that a thread like this wouldn't turn into a 10 page long argument since most of us will agree that 4 is about right.
But i think BF2s will find a way.
Cheeky_Ninja06
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Umm they used facebook to incite riots but everybody ignored them.

Its like posting up "I wish Cameron would die" and getting 4 years in prison. Seems a bit much?
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The judicial system has been working 24 hours during the final days of the riots. You have to wonder if fatigue is another factor on some of these final court decisions.
lowing
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Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:

Umm they used facebook to incite riots but everybody ignored them.

Its like posting up "I wish Cameron would die" and getting 4 years in prison. Seems a bit much?
everybody ignored them? not according to the looting, vandalism, violence, arson and murders that took place.
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SEREMAKER wrote:

don't do the crime if you can't do the time
or if you aren't a wise guy.
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Break and enter.
Vandalism
theft
resisting arrest
arson
assault


Yep can truly see how 4 years is too long
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you might as well add GBH and conspiracy to murder police officers.
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lowing wrote:

Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:

Umm they used facebook to incite riots but everybody ignored them.

Its like posting up "I wish Cameron would die" and getting 4 years in prison. Seems a bit much?
everybody ignored them? not according to the looting, vandalism, violence, arson and murders that took place.
Lol.

The men both admitted encouraging crime in Northwich, although there were no outbreaks of disorder in the town.
Cause and effect. Well done.

BBC wrote:

Blackshaw, of Marston, Cheshire, and Perry Sutcliffe-Keenan, 22, of Warrington, also Cheshire, were jailed for four years each after admitting using Facebook to incite disorder, although none actually resulted.

BBC also wrote wrote:

Anderson Fernandes, 22, was warned by a judge at Manchester Magistrates' Court he may face jail for stealing two scoops of ice cream. He will be sentenced next week after admitting burglary.

    Nicolas Robinson, 23, of Borough, south-east London, was jailed for six mon
ths for burglary. He took a £3.50 case of water from Lidl supermarket

    Mother-of-two Ursula Nevin, from Manchester, was jailed for five months for receiving a pair of shorts given to her after they had been looted from a city centre store.

More BBC wrote:

A 17-year-old from Suffolk has been banned from using social network sites for 12 months after encouraging people to riot in a Facebook message.

"It's about time we stood up for ourselves for once. So come on rioters - get some. LOL."
Yup all completely justified. I like how anybody involved in facebook gets a far longer sentance than people who actually commit the robbery etc.

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Cybargs wrote:

SEREMAKER wrote:

don't do the crime if you can't do the time
or if you aren't a wise guy.
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lowing
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Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:

Umm they used facebook to incite riots but everybody ignored them.

Its like posting up "I wish Cameron would die" and getting 4 years in prison. Seems a bit much?
everybody ignored them? not according to the looting, vandalism, violence, arson and murders that took place.
Lol.

The men both admitted encouraging crime in Northwich, although there were no outbreaks of disorder in the town.
Cause and effect. Well done.

BBC wrote:

Blackshaw, of Marston, Cheshire, and Perry Sutcliffe-Keenan, 22, of Warrington, also Cheshire, were jailed for four years each after admitting using Facebook to incite disorder, although none actually resulted.

BBC also wrote wrote:

Anderson Fernandes, 22, was warned by a judge at Manchester Magistrates' Court he may face jail for stealing two scoops of ice cream. He will be sentenced next week after admitting burglary.

    Nicolas Robinson, 23, of Borough, south-east London, was jailed for six mon
ths for burglary. He took a £3.50 case of water from Lidl supermarket

    Mother-of-two Ursula Nevin, from Manchester, was jailed for five months for receiving a pair of shorts given to her after they had been looted from a city centre store.

More BBC wrote:

A 17-year-old from Suffolk has been banned from using social network sites for 12 months after encouraging people to riot in a Facebook message.

"It's about time we stood up for ourselves for once. So come on rioters - get some. LOL."
Yup all completely justified. I like how anybody involved in facebook gets a far longer sentance than people who actually commit the robbery etc.
Wasn't aware that facebook did not reach out past Northwich sorry about that.
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lowing wrote:

Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:

lowing wrote:


everybody ignored them? not according to the looting, vandalism, violence, arson and murders that took place.
Lol.

The men both admitted encouraging crime in Northwich, although there were no outbreaks of disorder in the town.
Cause and effect. Well done.

BBC wrote:

Blackshaw, of Marston, Cheshire, and Perry Sutcliffe-Keenan, 22, of Warrington, also Cheshire, were jailed for four years each after admitting using Facebook to incite disorder, although none actually resulted.

BBC also wrote wrote:

Anderson Fernandes, 22, was warned by a judge at Manchester Magistrates' Court he may face jail for stealing two scoops of ice cream. He will be sentenced next week after admitting burglary.

    Nicolas Robinson, 23, of Borough, south-east London, was jailed for six mon
ths for burglary. He took a £3.50 case of water from Lidl supermarket

    Mother-of-two Ursula Nevin, from Manchester, was jailed for five months for receiving a pair of shorts given to her after they had been looted from a city centre store.

More BBC wrote:

A 17-year-old from Suffolk has been banned from using social network sites for 12 months after encouraging people to riot in a Facebook message.

"It's about time we stood up for ourselves for once. So come on rioters - get some. LOL."
Yup all completely justified. I like how anybody involved in facebook gets a far longer sentance than people who actually commit the robbery etc.
Wasn't aware that facebook did not reach out past Northwich sorry about that.
Wasn't aware that making an, albeit stupid, comment on a website makes you liable for a 4 year prison sentence, sorry about that. Meanwhile, in the states, carjackers, robbers, and rapists get cycled through the justice system faster than you can say oh shit.
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ROGUEDD wrote:

lowing wrote:

Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:

lowing wrote:

everybody ignored them? not according to the looting, vandalism, violence, arson and murders that took place.
Lol.

The men both admitted encouraging crime in Northwich, although there were no outbreaks of disorder in the town.
Cause and effect. Well done.


Yup all completely justified. I like how anybody involved in facebook gets a far longer sentance than people who actually commit the robbery etc.
Wasn't aware that facebook did not reach out past Northwich sorry about that.
Wasn't aware that making an, albeit stupid, comment on a website makes you liable for a 4 year prison sentence, sorry about that. Meanwhile, in the states, carjackers, robbers, and rapists get cycled through the justice system faster than you can say oh shit.
I bet none of them would do it again... Would 4 years be good if they went door to door instead, saying/inciting the same?  Does Facebook make it ok?
ROGUEDD
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So if I stood on a street corner shouting "fuck da po-lice!", then someone raped a police officer, I go to jail? But more to the point I was making, its a waste of time, money, and jail space.
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jord
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Yell " fire " in a theater
and get 4 years?
jord
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I'd agree with the justice advocates, it is too severe. It's an inflated sentance based on public anger, tired migistrates under a lot of pressure and kneejerk reactions. There isn't some elite that organised the whole thing that you can pin large sentances on and be done with it.
Shocking
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Reading over what cheeky quoted I'd have to retract my previous statement. They didn't actually do anything and nothing happened, I would punish them but 4 years is too severe.
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jord wrote:

SEREMAKER wrote:

Yell " fire " in a theater
and get 4 years?
no


there was a real fire in the theater
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jord
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SEREMAKER wrote:

jord wrote:

SEREMAKER wrote:

Yell " fire " in a theater
and get 4 years?
no


there was a real fire in the theater
damn kids
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Fuck 'em, I hate most people anyway so I'm sure we're better off without them.

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