BF2S Forums "Nobody is doing nothing for us"

Spearhead wrote:

So what is this "chav" phenomenon you guys constantly talk about and I see everywhere on the internet.  Dont want to be insensitive here but is that just you guys' way of saying white trash?

Among the accused was, for instance, Laura Johnson, the 19-year-old daughter of a successful company director. She lives in a detached converted farmhouse in Orpington, Kent, with extensive grounds and a tennis court.

She is an English and Italian undergraduate at Exeter, favourite of the Boden-wearing classes. Before that, she attended St Olave’s Grammar, the fourth-best state school in the country, and its sister school, Newstead Wood, gaining nine GCSE A grades and four A*s.

Alexis Bailey, 31, a worker at a primary school, admitted being part of a mob that tried to loot an electrical shop in Croydon. Bailey, who earns £1,000 a month at Stockwell Primary School, south London,

A postman and his A-level student nephew were caught by police in a Ford Focus full of stolen televisions and laptops outside a looted superstore,

Samon Adesina, 23, a student, is said to have been one of the looters carrying a flatscreen television away from Surrey Quays shopping centre. He was remanded in custody for a week and will miss his final exam in electrical engineering at an unspecified university, Tower Bridge magistrates’ court heard.

At Camberwell Green, an Essex University student, Banye Kenon, was accused of looting a Curry’s.

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Dilbert_X wrote:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/british-rioters-the-spawn-of-a-bankrupt-ruling-elite/story-e6frg6zo-1226112640970

THE riots in London and elsewhere in Britain are a backhanded tribute to the long-term intellectual torpor, moral cowardice, incompetence and careerist opportunism of the British political and intellectual class.
They have somehow managed not to notice what has long been apparent to anyone who has taken a short walk with his eyes open down any frequented British street: that a considerable proportion of the country's young population (a proportion that is declining) is ugly, aggressive, vicious, badly educated, uncouth and criminally inclined.

Unfortunately, while it is totally lacking in self-respect, it is full of self-esteem: that is to say, it believes itself entitled to a high standard of living, and other things, without any effort on its own part.

Consider for a moment the following: although youth unemployment in Britain is very high, that is to say about 20 per cent of those aged under 25, the country has had to import young foreign labour for a long time, even for unskilled work in the service sector.

The reasons for this seeming paradox are obvious to anyone who knows young Britons as I do.

No sensible employer in a service industry would choose a young Briton if he could have a young Pole; the young Pole is not only likely to have a good work ethic and refined manners, he is likely to be able to add up and -- most humiliating of all -- to speak better English than the Briton, at least if by that we mean the standard variety of the language. He may not be more fluent but his English will be more correct and his accent easier to understand.

This is not an exaggeration. After compulsory education (or perhaps I should say intermittent attendance at school) up to the age of 16 costing $80,000 a head, about one-quarter of British children cannot read with facility or do simple arithmetic. It makes you proud to be a British taxpayer.

I think I can say with a fair degree of certainty, from my experience as a doctor in one of the areas in which a police station has just been burned down, that half of those rioting would reply to the question, "Can you do arithmetic?" by answering, "What is arithmetic?"

British youth leads the Western world in almost all aspects of social pathology, from teenage pregnancy to drug taking, from drunkenness to violent criminality. There is no form of bad behaviour that our version of the welfare state has not sought out and subsidised.

British children are much likelier to have a television in their bedroom than a father living at home. One-third of them never eat a meal at a table with another member of their household -- family is not the word for the social arrangements of the people in the areas from which the rioters mainly come. They are therefore radically unsocialised and deeply egotistical, viewing relations with other human beings in the same way as Lenin: Who whom, who does what to whom. By the time they grow up, they are destined not only for unemployment but unemployability.

For young women in much of Britain, dependence does not mean dependence on the government: that, for them, is independence. Dependence means any kind of reliance on the men who have impregnated them who, of course, regard their own subventions from the state as pocket money, to be supplemented by a little light trafficking. (According to his brother, Mark Duggan, the man whose death at the hands of the probably incompetent police allegedly sparked the riots, "was involved in things", which things being delicately left to the imagination of his interlocutor.)
Relatively poor as the rioting sector of society is, it nevertheless possesses all the electronic equipment necessary for the prosecution of the main business of life; that is to say, entertainment by popular culture. And what a culture British popular culture is!

Perhaps Amy Winehouse was its finest flower and its truest representative in her militant and ideological vulgarity, her stupid taste, her vile personal conduct and preposterous self-pity.

Her sordid life was a long bath in vomitus, literal and metaphorical, for which the exercise of her very minor talent was no excuse or explanation. Yet not a peep of dissent from our intelllectual class was heard after her near canonisation after her death, that class having long had the backbone of a mollusc.

Criminality is scarcely repressed any more in Britain. The last lord chief justice but two thought that burglary was a minor offence, not worthy of imprisonment, and the next chief justice agreed with him.

By the age of 12, an ordinary slum-dweller has learned he has nothing to fear from the law and the only people to fear are those who are stronger or more ruthless than he.

Punishments are derisory; the police are simultaneously bullying but ineffectual and incompetent, increasingly dressed in paraphernalia that makes them look more like the occupiers of Afghanistan than the force imagined by Robert Peel. The people who most fear our police are the innocent.

Of course, none of this reduces the personal responsibility of the rioters. But the riots are a manifestation of a society in full decomposition, of a people with neither leaders nor followers but composed only of egotists.

Britain now has a huge intractable underclass. They've been given too much, had it too easy, and learned they don't need to work, can do whatever they want without any consequence.

Also every chav thinks he's going to be a millionaire footballer or the next Noel Gallagher, without understanding those paths require work too.

That and scum have been imported as some kind of social project....

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CameronPoe wrote:

Surely it should be 'nobody is doin' nuffink for us'.

AussieReaper wrote:

lowing wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

C'mon lowing, you should at least tell us they are all lazy welfare recipients too.

You didn't get all your talking points out there.

Well gee Aussie, I kinda thought that was understood but if it wasn't . From the article-----> "As the government battles colossal government debt with harsh welfare cuts that promise to make the futures of these youths even bleaker"

Anyone that is hanging their hat on social welfare is lazy, and if they decide to steal not food, but Ipads and such, then they are pieces of shit as well.

Annnnnnnnnnnd there it is. "These guys are lazy because they rely on welfare."

I don't understand how you can honestly believe such crap. There are people who are actively looking for work and doing volunteer work without pay, to be in a position to receive a lot of this welfare. But go right ahead and think that oh if only they weren't lazy they'd land a job instantly, regardless of how the British economy is going.

lowing wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

lowing wrote:

Yes, they are lazy. 2 good arms to throw rocks and shit, 2 good legs to run from the police when spotted, yet no ability to get a fuckin job or find their way to a classroom. Are you honestly trying to fucking tell me that these assholes feel the path to employment is through arson robbery vandalism and assault?  Is that something you are honestly trying to peddle?

As mentioned earlier in this thread, this people come from a lower socio-economic background.

There is no movement up for them at the moment, because the economy is so poor.

The British Governments solution is to further cut welfare, which these people need. Cutting welfare is not going to suddenly create a welath of jobs for these people to slide into. The problem is that they can't get up from the bottom and see no way out. Taking their frustrations out by rioting, while there are some who are violent for the sake of it thrown into the mix also.

To lable every single one of them lazy, because they find it difficult to find employement, is ignoring the issue of why there are a lack of jobs.

how the fuck can you be down and out at 17 years old?. WHat kinda fuckin jobs do they expect at that age?  their asses should be in school..You do boast of free fuckin university right?

lowing wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

lowing wrote:

how the fuck can you be down and out at 17 years old?. WHat kinda fuckin jobs do they expect at that age?  their asses should be in school..You do boast of free fuckin university right?

You can still pick up a weekend job and go to school lowing. Yes, even at 17 years old.

As stated earlier in this thread, a lot of these youths are 3rd or 4th generation welfare recipients. They can't exactly aspire to reach the lofty heights of their parents.

fantastic, so in 4 life times, no one in the family can find a fuckin decent job? Sounds like a family problem and a personal problem NOT societies problem, and certainly not the problem of the people that actually DID do something with their lives.. Well until now, since their businesses are burnt to the ground.

AussieReaper wrote:

lowing wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

You can still pick up a weekend job and go to school lowing. Yes, even at 17 years old.

As stated earlier in this thread, a lot of these youths are 3rd or 4th generation welfare recipients. They can't exactly aspire to reach the lofty heights of their parents.

fantastic, so in 4 life times, no one in the family can find a fuckin decent job? Sounds like a family problem and a personal problem NOT societies problem, and certainly not the problem of the people that actually DID do something with their lives.. Well until now, since their businesses are burnt to the ground.

Yeah high unemployment rates just equate to laziness. Infact whenever you see a country with a higher unemployment rate than last years, it just means more people are lazy.

Right?