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People show their real self when it hits home.FEOS wrote:
It's funny watching Dilbert use the same arguments he rails against when the same situation happens in the US.
Funny like a clown on fire.
Who would people buy drugs off though?Jay wrote:
Hey I know, if you're innocent and tired of being racially profiled, move away from the drug dealers, or turn them in.
The drug dealers and mafia examples make sense, but I'm not so sure about your gang argument. If they're not involved with the gang problems in the area, it's surely more a fear of coming forward for the sake of reprisals. Street gangs aren't exactly the kind to be building parks or such things (though I do remember a gang in the '70s that tried to do that but got caught up in crack). Escobar did a lot for the Medellin poor through charity and his media sources in the early days. Even after his waves of bombings, the poor still mourned his death.Uzique wrote:
some drug dealers do more for their local community than the authorities or government do, which is another intricacy of the 'poor neighbourhood' sociology that people often overlook. the reason that the gangs in brazil's favelas and the reasons why residents stay tight-lipped about criminal gangs in america/uk is often because those gangs know how to look after people, e.g. their older relatives and local community figures. when you live in an area that is all but neglected by the 'authorities' that are supposed to represent and support you, then other groups take power and do it for you. this is essentially the historical role and function of the mafia in italy-- the police were too corrupt or else too incompetent/absent in areas, so the mafia became intermediaries in protecting businesses and common men. not that any of this has much to do with police executing a drug dealer that would have been facing maybe 12-15 years, max...
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The police are trigger happy?Dilbert_X wrote:
Again, we don't know the facts just yet. This may be the case, its unclear. Ricochets happen after all, the Police are trigger-happy, it seems he was carrying an illegal gun, and so on.Uzique wrote:
it's a little circumspect to me that they released the news that "an officer was taken to hospital with injuries in the 'confrontation'"... there was no confrontation, a police officer shot another police officer, who was lucky enough to take the bullet into his chest-radio. they were already presenting it in the news as if there was a gunfight showdown and the black man injured an officer. hardly the case. they killed a man and also shot themselves in the process, rofl.
Or you can continue believing the Police just picked a random black guy and shot him because they didn't think he should be riding in a car like proper white folks.
Why don't you go set fire to Tescos and steal some DVD players to prove how angry you are?
i have friends living in some of the areas affected. they're not all black gang members. i'm not trying to pull any mental gymnastics. it's a problem i don't think has an easy answer or solution. i'm just questioning your forwarded solutions, because they seem a little obtuse.Jay wrote:
So the people that commit crimes and in turn bring in a police presence, then get upset because they can't trust the people doing their jobs to stop criminals, then turn to the criminals in order to protect them from other criminals and the police are the bad guys rather than the criminals themselves? That makes a lot more sense than my 'get a job' response. If you don't like cops, and you want cops to stay out of your neighborhood, don't give them a reason to harass you. The mental gymnastics you're doing to empathize with people you would never associate with in your personal life because of some childish hatred of authority is astounding.
the police really aren't trigger happy (at all), hence why stuff like this (pre-rioting) made breaking news. also after events like this, and this.Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:
The police are trigger happy?Dilbert_X wrote:
Again, we don't know the facts just yet. This may be the case, its unclear. Ricochets happen after all, the Police are trigger-happy, it seems he was carrying an illegal gun, and so on.Uzique wrote:
it's a little circumspect to me that they released the news that "an officer was taken to hospital with injuries in the 'confrontation'"... there was no confrontation, a police officer shot another police officer, who was lucky enough to take the bullet into his chest-radio. they were already presenting it in the news as if there was a gunfight showdown and the black man injured an officer. hardly the case. they killed a man and also shot themselves in the process, rofl.
Or you can continue believing the Police just picked a random black guy and shot him because they didn't think he should be riding in a car like proper white folks.
Why don't you go set fire to Tescos and steal some DVD players to prove how angry you are?
Yup you are right theres loads of shootings in the UK.
7 whole incidents o:wikipedia wrote:
In the year 2007-08, there were 6,780 Authorised Firearms Officers, 21,181 police operations in which firearms were authorised throughout England and Wales and 7 incidents where conventional firearms were used.
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