Norway would be shit without multiculturalism. Same goes for most places.
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They aren't run by political parties in the same way many people think. They often go out and criticize 'their' party, and are important in the political debate, especially in questions involving youth (e.g. education).Macbeth wrote:
Bible camps aren't run by political parties.
and what does that mean? Try speaking like an adult and not some 12 year old "gamer". Or is it one of those things where you don't have a good answer so you dismiss the whole thing?FatherTed wrote:
yep yep already said i was derping
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I have a feeling you don't understand the academic definition of multiculturalism.Jenspm wrote:
Norway would be shit without multiculturalism. Same goes for most places.
it means i was wrong? and im not exactly the 12yr old gamer stereotypelowing wrote:
and what does that mean? Try speaking like an adult and not some 12 year old "gamer". Or is it one of those things where you don't have a good answer so you dismiss the whole thing?FatherTed wrote:
yep yep already said i was derping
ok so tell us?Macbeth wrote:
I have a feeling you don't understand the academic definition of multiculturalism.Jenspm wrote:
Norway would be shit without multiculturalism. Same goes for most places.
From the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy.Multiculturalism is a body of thought in political philosophy about the proper way to respond to cultural and religious diversity. Mere toleration of group differences is said to fall short of treating members of minority groups as equal citizens; recognition and positive accommodation of group differences are required through “group-differentiated rights,” a term coined by Will Kymlicka (1995). Some group-differentiated rights are held by individual members of minority groups, as in the case of individuals who are granted exemptions from generally applicable laws in virtue of their religious beliefs or individuals who seek language accommodations in schools or in voting. Other group-differentiated rights are held by the group qua group rather by its members severally; such rights are properly called group rights, as in the case of indigenous groups and minority nations, who claim the right of self-determination. In the latter respect, multiculturalism is closely allied with nationalism.
Basically integrating several cultures and making them a part of society, no? As opposed to forcing them to 'turn Norwegian'?Macbeth wrote:
I have a feeling you don't understand the academic definition of multiculturalism.Jenspm wrote:
Norway would be shit without multiculturalism. Same goes for most places.
got it, sorry, I don't know what "derp" is all about.FatherTed wrote:
it means i was wrong? and im not exactly the 12yr old gamer stereotypelowing wrote:
and what does that mean? Try speaking like an adult and not some 12 year old "gamer". Or is it one of those things where you don't have a good answer so you dismiss the whole thing?FatherTed wrote:
yep yep already said i was derping
Look 2 post up.Jenspm wrote:
Basically integrating several cultures and making them a part of society, no? As opposed to forcing them to 'turn Norwegian'?Macbeth wrote:
I have a feeling you don't understand the academic definition of multiculturalism.Jenspm wrote:
Norway would be shit without multiculturalism. Same goes for most places.
So when you say it's 'failed in Europe', do you mean we a) have failed to give them sufficient rights or b) have given them rights, but it's not worked out or c) none of the above?Macbeth wrote:
From the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy.Multiculturalism is a body of thought in political philosophy about the proper way to respond to cultural and religious diversity. Mere toleration of group differences is said to fall short of treating members of minority groups as equal citizens; recognition and positive accommodation of group differences are required through “group-differentiated rights,” a term coined by Will Kymlicka (1995). Some group-differentiated rights are held by individual members of minority groups, as in the case of individuals who are granted exemptions from generally applicable laws in virtue of their religious beliefs or individuals who seek language accommodations in schools or in voting. Other group-differentiated rights are held by the group qua group rather by its members severally; such rights are properly called group rights, as in the case of indigenous groups and minority nations, who claim the right of self-determination. In the latter respect, multiculturalism is closely allied with nationalism.
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FatherTed wrote:
ok and taking that definition, how has multiculturism failed in europe?
B.Jenspm wrote:
So when you say it's 'failed in Europe', do you mean we a) have failed to give them sufficient rights or b) have given them rights, but it's not worked out or c) none of the above?Macbeth wrote:
From the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy.Multiculturalism is a body of thought in political philosophy about the proper way to respond to cultural and religious diversity. Mere toleration of group differences is said to fall short of treating members of minority groups as equal citizens; recognition and positive accommodation of group differences are required through “group-differentiated rights,” a term coined by Will Kymlicka (1995). Some group-differentiated rights are held by individual members of minority groups, as in the case of individuals who are granted exemptions from generally applicable laws in virtue of their religious beliefs or individuals who seek language accommodations in schools or in voting. Other group-differentiated rights are held by the group qua group rather by its members severally; such rights are properly called group rights, as in the case of indigenous groups and minority nations, who claim the right of self-determination. In the latter respect, multiculturalism is closely allied with nationalism.
http://news.yahoo.com/norway-mass-kille … 15957.htmlpresidentsheep wrote:
If this guy gets off without a sentence then I will personally write a letter of apology to lowing for any time I have disagreed with him and claim a pro-guns, anti-government right wing Christian viewpoint for the duration of my posting on this forum.
e: excluding if he is found too mental to be sentenced. I doubt this highly.
I hope so, since they can't punish for murder in Norway it would appear.menzo wrote:
I've heard they want to get him for atrocities against humanity, because that has a 30year sentence
lowing wrote:
Oh and by the way, to all those that insist it was a right wing christian conspiracy...he acted alone. Uzi, you catchin' that?
Jaekus wrote:
I didn't act alone, Norway attacker tells courtThe man who has claimed responsibility for the deadly terrorist attacks in Norway last week has told a judge he was working with two other cells of right-wing extremists.
Anders Behring Breivik, 32, admitted the facts of the case, but "he has not pleaded guilty", judge Kim Heger said after the closed-door hearing.
"It appears in the suspect's police explanations and in today's court appearance, he has made statements that require additional investigation - including a statement about 'two further cells in our organisation'," the judge added.
Breivik was remanded in custody for eight weeks, the first four of which will be in isolation.
Breivik told the judge he had carried out the bombing in Oslo and the mass shooting on a nearby island to send the Labour government a message.
He told the court he needed to carry out the attack to save Norway and western Europe from, among other things, "cultural Marxism" and a Muslim takeover.
Police revised the death toll from the attacks down on Monday, saying 68 people were now known to have been killed in the shootings at a summer camp on Utoya island, lowering an earlier toll of 86.
Eight died in the car bombing in downtown Oslo, an increase of one - but others are still missing, and police said the toll may again rise.
Up until the hearing, Breivik said he had worked alone, but he told police and the court he had two more groups of collaborators still at large.
"It appears in the suspect's police explanations and in today's court appearance, he has made statements that require additional investigation - including a statement about 'two further cells in our organisation'," the judge said.
Those claims are now being investigated.
Also blown out of proportion by the media. He was on a standard list in the midst of a vast overflow of information, for spending £12 at a store in Poland that Norway were investigating. Other than that, the police have no records of him.Dilbert_X wrote:
^ In all probability its just his WoW clan.
Seen also that he was on a terror watch list since march.
i dont think he is convicted before that, so why cant they?Jenspm wrote:
Nope, that sentence will be put in place 1/1/2012, so he can't be punished under it.menzo wrote:
I've heard they want to get him for atrocities against humanity, because that has a 30year sentence