eleven bravo wrote:
kill 91 people, get 21 years in jail??????
bwuahaha
touché
touché
And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.
It's 21 years at which point he will be reevaluated and perhaps given more time.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
eleven bravo wrote:
kill 91 people, get 21 years in jail??????
ftfyjord wrote:
It's 21 years at which point he will be reevaluated and given more time.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
eleven bravo wrote:
kill 91 people, get 21 years in jail??????
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watFatherTed wrote:
ftfyjord wrote:
It's 21 years at which point he will be reevaluated and given more time.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
perhapsjord wrote:
It's 21 years at which point he will be reevaluated and perhaps given more time.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
eleven bravo wrote:
kill 91 people, get 21 years in jail??????
Tu Stultus Es
Yes, or "probably" if you prefer.eleven bravo wrote:
perhapsjord wrote:
It's 21 years at which point he will be reevaluated and perhaps given more time.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
perhaps
Tu Stultus Es
I don't think he was, musta been a real rebellious asshole to his parents or something. No personal insult or attack intended.lowing wrote:
you were kidding with that bullshit you argued about parenting.....right?Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:
Definitely thatJaekus wrote:
Woah what. Is this coming from the same guy who bangs on about Nanny states, big brother and personal freedoms? You are now arguing that parents should monitor their kids all of the time and no exactly where they are, what they are doing and with whom?lowing wrote:
Not knowing anything about what your kids are up to, where they go, what they do how they act, is not really a great example of model parenting skills Jaekus. Basically what you are saying is, they don't even know their own kids. I feel safe in my comment.
Funny because that leads nicely onto thisThey're not going to get a job as they are now "sex offenders" and who wants to hire a male sex offender? Nobody. Congratulations on creating two more life long criminals.Jaekus wrote:
Well I think the sex offender stigma is kinda setting them up to be criminals tbh, but certainly they should be punished for their actions, no question about that.
Still I would not argue with the Judges interpretation of the law, it certainly fulfilled the criteria of the law. The problem is with the law and only by enforcing the law does one find these problems.
Last edited by War Man (2011-07-25 23:33:08)
The irony of guns, is that they can save lives.
That was the point I made earlier. Who doesn't know a rebellious 14 year old boy? I bet 3/4 of the forum were one themselves.
Define what qualifies somebody as rebellious. I'm sure that War Man and Jeakus' definitions and personal experience will vary greatly.
And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.
-Sh1fty- wrote:
Define what qualifies somebody as rebellious. I'm sure that War Man and Jeakus' definitions and personal experience will vary greatly.
google dictionary wrote:
re·bel·lious
adjective /riˈbelyəs/
Showing a desire to resist authority, control, or convention
- young people with a rebellious streak
(of a person, city, or state) Engaged in opposition or armed resistance to an established government or ruler
- the rebellious republics
(of a thing) Not easily handled or kept in place
- he smoothed back a rebellious lock of hair
Last edited by Jaekus (2011-07-26 00:39:18)
eleven bravo wrote:
kill 91 people, get 21 years in jail??????
Yeah, I don't remember being too much of a pain for my parents at 14, Jaekus. I may have disobeyed them here and there and get real pissed off at them, but I usually did what I was told whether I liked it or not. Nothing what you call rebellious to be honest.
Last edited by War Man (2011-07-26 03:23:53)
The irony of guns, is that they can save lives.
I was pretty good too. I caught an entire schoolbus of shitheads though, all from private, Christian schools (I went to a public school).
I dont understand any of this.War Man wrote:
I don't think he was, musta been a real rebellious asshole to his parents or something. No personal insult or attack intended.lowing wrote:
you were kidding with that bullshit you argued about parenting.....right?
If theres one thing my parents always harped on about it was how when they were "my age" they were out in the countryside, they would leave the house in the morning and return just about in time for tea.
I thought this was something that Lowing the minister for personal freedom would appreciate. But obviously not :s
If a parent has to monitor their kid every second of the day then they are going to grow up relying on this monitoring and not have the independance etc they would otherwise gain.
Im not really sure where being a rebellious asshole comes from.
Sorry Ninja, I am a father, and I know who my kids friends are and where they are. I do trust them, and they are excellent students and very respectful to us and others. THey have not done anything to un-earn that trust. yet, I am still their father and they are still my responsibility.Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:
I dont understand any of this.War Man wrote:
I don't think he was, musta been a real rebellious asshole to his parents or something. No personal insult or attack intended.lowing wrote:
you were kidding with that bullshit you argued about parenting.....right?
If theres one thing my parents always harped on about it was how when they were "my age" they were out in the countryside, they would leave the house in the morning and return just about in time for tea.
I thought this was something that Lowing the minister for personal freedom would appreciate. But obviously not :s
If a parent has to monitor their kid every second of the day then they are going to grow up relying on this monitoring and not have the independance etc they would otherwise gain.
Im not really sure where being a rebellious asshole comes from.
If you think such a thing is akin to govt. coddling you as an adult, I can not help that, but I guess you were serious in trying to argue it is the same thing. Oh well.
I was generally good with my parents infront of them then did what I wanted when out with friends or whatever, but who isn't different with seperate groups?
I was extra good and respectful to my only surviving grandma, I was pretty good with my overly strict father when I visited him and I was moderately good with my mother. Then I'd go and do stupid shit like stealing from the corner shop or throwing apples at cars with my friends then running away or truanting school to play football(as you can probably tell by my grammar and spelling, this happened quite a few times). You can have a good idea of what your kids are like, but the self they present you with may only be what they want you to see.
I was extra good and respectful to my only surviving grandma, I was pretty good with my overly strict father when I visited him and I was moderately good with my mother. Then I'd go and do stupid shit like stealing from the corner shop or throwing apples at cars with my friends then running away or truanting school to play football(as you can probably tell by my grammar and spelling, this happened quite a few times). You can have a good idea of what your kids are like, but the self they present you with may only be what they want you to see.
Oh and I'm a swell guy with my boss too...
Good parents know, and if you do not know your own kids, how the fuck can you claim to be a good parent?jord wrote:
I was generally good with my parents infront of them then did what I wanted when out with friends or whatever, but who isn't different with seperate groups?
I was extra good and respectful to my only surviving grandma, I was pretty good with my overly strict father when I visited him and I was moderately good with my mother. Then I'd go and do stupid shit like stealing from the corner shop or throwing apples at cars with my friends then running away or truanting school to play football(as you can probably tell by my grammar and spelling, this happened quite a few times). You can have a good idea of what your kids are like, but the self they present you with may only be what they want you to see.
Like I said, everyone is different with different people. Do you not agree?lowing wrote:
Good parents know, and if you do not know your own kids, how the fuck can you claim to be a good parent?jord wrote:
I was generally good with my parents infront of them then did what I wanted when out with friends or whatever, but who isn't different with seperate groups?
I was extra good and respectful to my only surviving grandma, I was pretty good with my overly strict father when I visited him and I was moderately good with my mother. Then I'd go and do stupid shit like stealing from the corner shop or throwing apples at cars with my friends then running away or truanting school to play football(as you can probably tell by my grammar and spelling, this happened quite a few times). You can have a good idea of what your kids are like, but the self they present you with may only be what they want you to see.
Do you think your kids are the same with their friends as they are at home?
Nope, but I know who their friends are, I know if they have lied to me. I know when their habits changes, I know when their schedule is not jiving, I know when they are late, I know when they didn't show up, I know what their grades are, I know if there is a shift in their attitude, on and on and on.jord wrote:
Like I said, everyone is different with different people. Do you not agree?lowing wrote:
Good parents know, and if you do not know your own kids, how the fuck can you claim to be a good parent?jord wrote:
I was generally good with my parents infront of them then did what I wanted when out with friends or whatever, but who isn't different with seperate groups?
I was extra good and respectful to my only surviving grandma, I was pretty good with my overly strict father when I visited him and I was moderately good with my mother. Then I'd go and do stupid shit like stealing from the corner shop or throwing apples at cars with my friends then running away or truanting school to play football(as you can probably tell by my grammar and spelling, this happened quite a few times). You can have a good idea of what your kids are like, but the self they present you with may only be what they want you to see.
Do you think your kids are the same with their friends as they are at home?
The thing is, liars are not consistent, and catching a teen age liar ain't hard, IF you are up on your kids lives.
and yes, the reports I get back from the other parents help as well. and my kids have never gotten criticized for their behavior.
Last edited by lowing (2011-07-26 13:19:06)
I think we're thinking of different ages. How old are your kids?lowing wrote:
Nope, but I know who their friends are, I know if they have lied to me. I know when their habits changes, I know when their schedule is not jiving, I know when they are late, I know when they didn't show up, I know what their grades are, I know if there is a shift in their attitude, on and on and on.jord wrote:
Like I said, everyone is different with different people. Do you not agree?lowing wrote:
Good parents know, and if you do not know your own kids, how the fuck can you claim to be a good parent?
Do you think your kids are the same with their friends as they are at home?
The thing is, liars are not consistent, and catching a teen age liar ain't hard, IF you are up on your kids lives.
and yes, the reports I get back from the other parents help as well. and my kids have never gotten criticized for their behavior.
My sons are 13 and 14 now.jord wrote:
I think we're thinking of different ages. How old are your kids?lowing wrote:
Nope, but I know who their friends are, I know if they have lied to me. I know when their habits changes, I know when their schedule is not jiving, I know when they are late, I know when they didn't show up, I know what their grades are, I know if there is a shift in their attitude, on and on and on.jord wrote:
Like I said, everyone is different with different people. Do you not agree?
Do you think your kids are the same with their friends as they are at home?
The thing is, liars are not consistent, and catching a teen age liar ain't hard, IF you are up on your kids lives.
and yes, the reports I get back from the other parents help as well. and my kids have never gotten criticized for their behavior.
Well yes, it is very easy to keep track of them and tell when they're lying at that age.lowing wrote:
My sons are 13 and 14 now.jord wrote:
I think we're thinking of different ages. How old are your kids?lowing wrote:
Nope, but I know who their friends are, I know if they have lied to me. I know when their habits changes, I know when their schedule is not jiving, I know when they are late, I know when they didn't show up, I know what their grades are, I know if there is a shift in their attitude, on and on and on.
The thing is, liars are not consistent, and catching a teen age liar ain't hard, IF you are up on your kids lives.
and yes, the reports I get back from the other parents help as well. and my kids have never gotten criticized for their behavior.
I was thinking more 17/18