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A legislative proposal in San Francisco seeks to make ex-cons and felons a protected class, along with existing categories of residents like African-Americans, people with disabilities and pregnant women. If passed by city supervisors, landlords and employers would be prohibited from asking applicants about their criminal past.

Supporters say it's an effort to help former offenders get back on their feet, but critics call the concept a crime in itself.

"My mother is an immigrant, my mother-in-law is a Jew and I'm a gay man. Those are all protected categories, but you're going to put a felon in there as a protected category? That's not right," said Andrew Long, a board member of the San Francisco Apartment Association.

But ex-cons contend they're immediately disqualified by employers and landlords reluctant to trust anyone with a rap sheet.

"People don't want to hire felons," says Monique Love, who served time five years ago on a drug offense. Clean and sober now, she says boxes on application forms asking about criminal history unfairly discriminate against her. At one recent interview, Monique says she never got the chance to tell her story of recovery and rehabilitation.

"I didn't get a shot. Not a shot," she says. "As soon as he saw that box was checked, the boss was like, 'I'm sorry, we can't help you.'"

According to The City's Human Rights Commission, San Francisco has the highest recidivism rate of any big city in California, almost 80 percent. With an influx of new prisoners set to be released because of the state's budget crisis, supporters argue felons need legal protections before they're disqualified simply because of their record, which could be decades old and for crimes that have nothing to do with the job they're hoping to get.

Commission Director Teresa Sparks calls it a public safety issue.

"Without housing, it's hard to keep a steady job, and many times because of that, people recommit," Sparks said. She argues a criminal history shouldn't be the only reason someone is denied housing or work.

"All we're saying is get a chance to know them, see if they're qualified otherwise, before you use that as a criteria for taking them out," she said.

Hawaii, New York and Philadelphia have enacted similar policies to prevent blanket discrimination against felons in the private job market, and some cities in Illinois and Wisconsin have imposed such restrictions on rental property owners.

At a public hearing at San Francisco's City Hall this week, some landlords worried that if the policy passes here, they'll face a barrage of lawsuits from unscrupulous convicts.

"Some ex-cons will probably make this a business, going from apartment complex to apartment complex, getting denied for whatever reason, and then filing a nuisance lawsuit," Long said.

Sparks says rental property owners could turn away sex offenders and people who've committed some violent crimes, like murder. Employers could also reject job applicants if their crimes are "significantly related" to the position they are seeking, but they could only inquire about the applicants' criminal past at the end of the interview process.

That doesn't sit well with Gary Bauer, owner of Bauer's Intelligent Transportation, one of San Francisco's biggest transportation companies. He says he needs to know about an applicants criminal history right up front.

"We won't discriminate against anyone, but we need to know what we're looking at. What is their background? Is it grand auto theft? We're running transportation," Bauer said, adding, "Being in California, and in San Francisco, it gets tougher and tougher every year ... when they come down with these things."

Public hearings continue to formalize the legislation, with lawsuits sure to follow, if San Francisco gives legal protections to people who broke the law.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/07/22/sa … z1Ssb1TYCa

On the flipside of the Macbeth thread, we have this. I actually agree with this because of the highlighted section. Unless a persons criminal history is relevant to the current job, it should be taboo to ask about it. We have a justice system for a reason. People commit a crime, they get sent away to serve time in recompense for the crime. They should not then be punished for the same crime for the rest of their lives. I consider a crime to be paid for once a person completes their sentence. Fuck this 'well he sat on another boys face with his bare ass when he was 14 so he's obviously unfit to work here' nonsense.
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I disagree, a person's criminal history is relevant to their reliability as a person and worker. I also feel an employer has the right to hire and fire for any reason, so any law that complicates the hiring and firing process is bad. Same goes for landlords.

You know property rights and all.
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not gonna happen.
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Jay
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Macbeth wrote:

I disagree, a person's criminal history is relevant to their reliability as a person and worker. I also feel an employer has the right to hire and fire for any reason, so any law that complicates the hiring and firing process is bad. Same goes for landlords.

You know property rights and all.
So you feel that a crime committed at still deserves further punishment at 50?
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By that logic I should mention that you enjoy stomping on cats in every thread you post in whether it's relevant or not.
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Jay wrote:

By that logic I should mention that you enjoy stomping on cats in every thread you post in whether it's relevant or not.
I never stomped on a cat.
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Macbeth wrote:

Jay wrote:

By that logic I should mention that you enjoy stomping on cats in every thread you post in whether it's relevant or not.
I never stomped on a cat.
The court of BF2S states otherwise.
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Stop being a tool. Thanks.
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Jay
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Stop being a tool. Thanks.
As soon as you stop being a ghoul.
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Jay wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

Stop being a tool. Thanks.
As soon as you stop being a ghoul.
you're a poet and you didn't even know it lol xD
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A ghoul? The only time I ever hear that word is during old Scooby-Doo episodes.
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Macbeth wrote:

A ghoul? The only time I ever hear that word is during old Scooby-Doo episodes.
old nintendo game.  also heard the term in Gangs of New York when they talk about stealing a fresh dead body and selling it to a medical school.
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Main Entry: ghoul Pronunciation: \ˈgül\ Function: noun Etymology: Arabic ghūl Date: 1786 1 : a legendary evil being that robs graves and feeds on corpses 2 : one suggestive of a ghoul; especially : one who shows morbid interest in things considered shocking or repulsive

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Can someone PM me the casualty pictures? The site isn't working right on my phone. Karma reward.
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I prefer Schism. I like some of the perfect circle stuff. Just some.
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Many countries have laws intended to help rehabilitate offenders, they work just fine.

Macbeth wrote:

I never stomped on a cat.
You kicked one against a car, and would have stomped on one if you could have got hold of one, pretty sure.
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I can't go near a cat. I'm allergic.
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Good, cats have superpowers as far as you're concerned - God works in mysterious ways, against you.

I like it.
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Jay wrote:

Main Entry: ghoul Pronunciation: \ˈgül\ Function: noun Etymology: Arabic ghūl Date: 1786 1 : a legendary evil being that robs graves and feeds on corpses 2 : one suggestive of a ghoul; especially : one who shows morbid interest in things considered shocking or repulsive

Macbeth wrote:

Can someone PM me the casualty pictures? The site isn't working right on my phone. Karma reward.
Well two people posted the link in the thread and I couldn't see it on my phone so I asked someone to PM what was offered to the forum in the first place.
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I like where this thread has gone. I like talking about me.

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