Nah it was 2am here or I would've stayed for the whole thing.Uzique wrote:
so you guys got bored and missed murdoch getting pied in the face? ha ha
Another $500 million thrown into the abyss.In a May 19 column by the Star-Ledger's Bob Braun, David Sciarra, executive director of the Newark-based New Jersey Education Law Center, was very clear about the makeup of student populations in the Garden State, reports Politifacts New Jersey, which tested the veracity of the claim of little racial diversity.
"By any measure, New Jersey has one of the most segregated school systems in the country," Sciarra said in Braun's column.
According to The Star-Ledger, Sciarra made the comment days before the state Supreme Court mandated $500 million in funding for low-income public schools in what are called Abbott districts.
Sciarra explained that cities typically have large concentrations of black and Latino students in urban school districts located within municipal boundaries, while the suburbs are overwhelmingly white.
By contrast, southern, or more rural states, are among the most integrated schools because they have countywide or regional school districts that tend to draw from a more diverse population.
New Jersey’s Constitution prohibits racial segregation in public schools and mandates a racial balance in schools, according to Sciarra.
"In terms of racial minorities, African-Americans and Latinos, we have a very segregated system," Sciarra told The Star-Ledger. "In the United States, we’re (New Jersey) usually third, fourth or fifth."
Of course this news story doesn't point out that
A) despite being heavily segregated NJ's schools still come up in the top 10 in every school ranking
B) Southern states with their more integrated schools always come at the bottom of every listing
C) there is no connection between school performance and funding
I'm all for funding schools and education but just throwing money at poor performing schools because "It's not fair to !!111" doesn't make any sense.
I'm so angry I could start swinging a cactus.
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US 'to aid Islamist areas of famine-hit Somalia'
Wouldn't it be interesting if the humanitarian aid mission came under attack and we had to send in the Marines again? Interestingly, the article says Mark Bowden is the UN coordinator for humanitarian aid there.
Wouldn't it be interesting if the humanitarian aid mission came under attack and we had to send in the Marines again? Interestingly, the article says Mark Bowden is the UN coordinator for humanitarian aid there.
What a complete waste of money.
Didn't the Supreme court recently rule that any aid to terrorist organizations or areas controlled by them 'free up' the resources of said groups and are illegal?
Didn't the Supreme court recently rule that any aid to terrorist organizations or areas controlled by them 'free up' the resources of said groups and are illegal?
And it's not like the segregation in New Jersey isn't voluntary. They choose to populate Newark and Camden and Trenton. No one forced them to live there.Macbeth wrote:
Another $500 million thrown into the abyss.In a May 19 column by the Star-Ledger's Bob Braun, David Sciarra, executive director of the Newark-based New Jersey Education Law Center, was very clear about the makeup of student populations in the Garden State, reports Politifacts New Jersey, which tested the veracity of the claim of little racial diversity.
"By any measure, New Jersey has one of the most segregated school systems in the country," Sciarra said in Braun's column.
According to The Star-Ledger, Sciarra made the comment days before the state Supreme Court mandated $500 million in funding for low-income public schools in what are called Abbott districts.
Sciarra explained that cities typically have large concentrations of black and Latino students in urban school districts located within municipal boundaries, while the suburbs are overwhelmingly white.
By contrast, southern, or more rural states, are among the most integrated schools because they have countywide or regional school districts that tend to draw from a more diverse population.
New Jersey’s Constitution prohibits racial segregation in public schools and mandates a racial balance in schools, according to Sciarra.
"In terms of racial minorities, African-Americans and Latinos, we have a very segregated system," Sciarra told The Star-Ledger. "In the United States, we’re (New Jersey) usually third, fourth or fifth."
Of course this news story doesn't point out that
A) despite being heavily segregated NJ's schools still come up in the top 10 in every school ranking
B) Southern states with their more integrated schools always come at the bottom of every listing
C) there is no connection between school performance and funding
I'm all for funding schools and education but just throwing money at poor performing schools because "It's not fair to !!111" doesn't make any sense.
I'm so angry I could start swinging a cactus.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
eh. I'll concede the point to their side that it isn't easy for poor blacks and hispanics to move into suburban neighborhoods or other areas with better quality of life and more opportunity. But I'm extremely apprehensive to any sort of forced integration like some of the more liberal minded amongst us would be open to. I've seen the effects first hand of state assisted relocation (poor blacks being given section 8 housing to live in the almost overwhelmingly white Bayonne) and all it does is spread crime and poverty. It's not the way to go.
Full integration would be nice but it has to develop naturally and it has to start within the poorer communities.
Full integration would be nice but it has to develop naturally and it has to start within the poorer communities.
I thought it's common knowledge that academic performance is largely dependant on the support system at home? That $500 million would be best spent increasing extra-curricular programs and parental awareness. It's unfortunate that people think they can just bridge a gap by throwing
Money at a problem instead of properly assessing the conditions and criteria that are most impactful
Money at a problem instead of properly assessing the conditions and criteria that are most impactful
It is common knowledge, but the teachers union is all powerful in this region and they've convinced everyone that money spent = improved education. Education is a cultural thing. When it's not respected at home or among friends the teachers job becomes impossible. How many kids lives were ruined by the Steve Urkel character? That became a popular insult among the black students in middle school to call out anyone that tried. Sad.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
I thought it's common knowledge that academic performance is largely dependant on the support system at home? That $500 million would be best spent increasing extra-curricular programs and parental awareness. It's unfortunate that people think they can just bridge a gap by throwing
Money at a problem instead of properly assessing the conditions and criteria that are most impactful
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
So you think the blame lies with the teachers union?
No. They are a problem, sure, but they aren't the main issue here. The teachers union is just a convenient target.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
So you think the blame lies with the teachers union?
For the money issue? Yeah. The school districts in the inner cities got used to a certain level of funding under the previous administration in Jersey and that was part of the cutbacks enacted by Christie.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
So you think the blame lies with the teachers union?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
That's not something unique to the inner city nj school districtJay wrote:
For the money issue? Yeah. The school districts in the inner cities got used to a certain level of funding under the previous administration in Jersey and that was part of the cutbacks enacted by Christie.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
So you think the blame lies with the teachers union?
It kind of is. Schools around here are almost completely funded via local property taxes. If a school district has a lot of upscale homes, it has more income to play with. Because of the massive disparity in property values between Newark and the suburbs around it, the schools in Newark proper receive rather paltry funding in comparison. Under previous New Jersey administrations, the suburban school districts were forced to send money to the cities in order to 'even the playing field'. Among Christie's cuts, he eliminated (or decreased by a large percentage) the amount that flowed into the cities in order to bring some property tax relief to the suburbs (New Jersey has among the highest property tax rates in the nation). All the Supreme Court did was renew the subsidy. Now that rich suburbanite is not only paying for the kids parent's Section 8, Food Stamps and Welfare, he's forced to foot the bill for his schooling too. Fabulous.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
That's not something unique to the inner city nj school districtJay wrote:
For the money issue? Yeah. The school districts in the inner cities got used to a certain level of funding under the previous administration in Jersey and that was part of the cutbacks enacted by Christie.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
So you think the blame lies with the teachers union?
(and yes, that last bit was unnecessary hyperbole but whatever)
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
No, it's not. That's how schools are funded here, too. Plus everyone (including public institutions and private companies, as well as citizens) become accustomed to whatever their previous budget allows. People don't like having to spend less than they did before
That still doesn't make the basis for the lawsuit correct. What are we arguing about anyway? You already agreed with the premise that money is irrelevantKEN-JENNINGS wrote:
No, it's not. That's how schools are funded here, too. Plus everyone (including public institutions and private companies, as well as citizens) become accustomed to whatever their previous budget allows. People don't like having to spend less than they did before
Ahh, who is behind the lawsuit. Yeah, the AFT gets parents riled up all the time. They run class warfare based attack ads pretty much 24/7
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"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
You like to assign blame based on your own small little anecdotes. It's the teachers unions fault!
I dont dislike john boehner but eric cantor really does look like the bad guy in a movie.
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just came here to post the same thing. fucking hilarious. russians!Trotskygrad wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14232970
lolwut
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Haha
Hahaha classic!
and that's how everyone should be judgedeleven bravo wrote:
I dont dislike john boehner but eric cantor really does look like the bad guy in a movie.
highlight said judgement please
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eleven bravo
thats the infantry MOS in the US Army
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