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2011-07-21 05:30:52

#426

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6711

lowing wrote:
Uzique wrote:
lowing wrote:

Yeah you do know illegals once here, pretty much spread through out the country right? We do not have to show papers from state to state. They go where ever they see exploitation possibilities
so you literally think that the reason your prison population is higher than anywhere else in the world is because of mexican immigrants? what do you answer to my argument about all of southern europe facing a massive immigration / refugee problem from northern africa and the arab world? which it has been quietly dealing with for many years, furthermore? where are their prison rates?
excuse me, are we talking about legal immigrants or illegal aliens? CUz I think there is a difference. If you have a massive illegal immigrant problem tell me about it.

illegal immigration, you dumbass. are you really so smallminded you think america is the only country? don't you know 100,000's of northern africans and arabs fled to italy, france and other neighbouring countries following this spring's arab revolutions and civil wars? where'd you think they all go to? free socialist housing where they're auto-granted EU citizenship by our marxist overlords and never commit a crime ever again? the immigration problem is not an excuse for america's sky-high, third-world prison rates.

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2011-07-21 05:31:05

#427

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6892|USA

Jenspm wrote:
And since you asked for stats on that, here's an example (Greece)

The scope of the issue becomes even more compelling when one calculates that in 2010 alone, some 150,000 illegal immigrants entered Greece, almost exclusively from the Middle East, North Africa and the Indian sub-continent.
http://www.balkanalysis.com/greece/2011 … -security/

Yeah? and how the fuck is Greece doin' these days?

2011-07-21 05:31:53

#428

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6711

Uzique wrote:
every single advanced western country deals with illegal aliens. the north of england has a strikingly high rate of completely off-the-records indian and pakistani residents. eastern europeans. people crammed 8 into a room. people living in back-yard sheds and outhouses. people paying no taxes, with no paperwork, with no trace on the government records. why isn't our incarceration rate as high as yours? are you suggesting america is the only country in the world with immigration problems? because you are sorely, sorely mistaken.

rofl at implying that greece's immigration problem had ANYTHING to do with its economic crash. HAHAHA.

you really do just clutch at straws, don't you, lowing?

stick to the topic: PRISON RATES - WHY ARE AMERICA'S SO HIGH? immigration clearly isn't the evil force behind it all.

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2011-07-21 05:33:00

#429

Jenspm: penis; +1,716|6973|St. Andrews / Oslo

lowing wrote:
Jenspm wrote:
And since you asked for stats on that, here's an example (Greece)

The scope of the issue becomes even more compelling when one calculates that in 2010 alone, some 150,000 illegal immigrants entered Greece, almost exclusively from the Middle East, North Africa and the Indian sub-continent.
http://www.balkanalysis.com/greece/2011 … -security/
Yeah? and how the fuck is Greece doin' these days?

That's largely due to a terrible (tax) culture amongst the Greek, not the immigrants.

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2011-07-21 05:33:58

#430

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6892|USA

Uzique wrote:
lowing wrote:
Uzique wrote:

so you literally think that the reason your prison population is higher than anywhere else in the world is because of mexican immigrants? what do you answer to my argument about all of southern europe facing a massive immigration / refugee problem from northern africa and the arab world? which it has been quietly dealing with for many years, furthermore? where are their prison rates?
excuse me, are we talking about legal immigrants or illegal aliens? CUz I think there is a difference. If you have a massive illegal immigrant problem tell me about it.
illegal immigration, you dumbass. are you really so smallminded you think america is the only country? don't you know 100,000's of northern africans and arabs fled to italy, france and other neighbouring countries following this spring's arab revolutions and civil wars? where'd you think they all go to? free socialist housing where they're auto-granted EU citizenship by our marxist overlords and never commit a crime ever again? the immigration problem is not an excuse for america's sky-high, third-world prison rates.

your post talked of immigrants and refugees. Not Illegal immigrants. Just making sure you were not trying to lump your legal immigration in with our illegal immigration issues.

2011-07-21 05:35:35

#431

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6915|Canberra, AUS

Ummmm he's talking about illegal immigration too. Do you know nothing about the immigration situation in southern Europe?

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2011-07-21 05:38:04

#432

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6892|USA

Jenspm wrote:
lowing wrote:
Jenspm wrote:
And since you asked for stats on that, here's an example (Greece)

http://www.balkanalysis.com/greece/2011 … -security/
Yeah? and how the fuck is Greece doin' these days?
That's largely due to a terrible (tax) culture amongst the Greek, not the immigrants.

http://www.greekedirectory.com/greecegu … aspx?ID=10

"Starting from the 1990s, the crime rate in Greece has steadily increased. Obviously there has been a few incidents of armed robberies, car theft, and burglaries. This is due to the fact that since the 1990s, there has been an increase of illegal immigrations done by people of other countries"...

oops.

2011-07-21 05:38:28

#433

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6711

well for a start the legal status of an immigrant is an arbitrary factor in considering their propensity to crime... a poor legal immigration will rob and steal just as a poor illegal immigrant will. but i digress: you're trying to pin your nationwide incarceration rates on the 'immigration' problem as if there are scores of felons hopping over fences all across your borders and insidiously creeping into the fabric of america's societal heartland. high crime rates in wisconsin? no problem, mexicans with a car. high crime rates in alaska? no problem, mexicans with a plane ticket. it's just ludicrous. your nation-wide incarceration rates are a result of a draconian, old-fashioned legal system with frankly absurd custodial sentencing guidelines. your immigration policy has next-to-nothing to do with it. every single advanced western country has problems with people attempting to gain entry for a better lifestyle. i repeat: every single western country faces this problem. i'm sorry if fox news represents the american immigration problem as some 'oh poor beset america! worldwide heroic struggle!' crap, but the plain fact is that every nation deals with the same humanitarian problems as you do. the statistics, however, quite clearly show that no other advanced western country bordering a grief or poverty-stricken zone shares the same prison or crime rates as you do. the data speaks for itself.

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2011-07-21 05:38:38

#434

Cheeky_Ninja06: Member; +52|6973|Cambridge, England

lowing wrote:
well fuck I can do that as well.
http://www.localpropertyindex.com/Searc … 00000/0/p2

You have found a page of properties that are double the average house price in the uk £160k.

Well done.

and in the suburbs of Atlanta for the same money you get

http://www.remax-georgia.com/zip/30004

This is a link showing a page of results starting at $9,000,000 and going down to $3,000,000

Ummm. What?

2011-07-21 05:39:48

#435

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6711

Spark wrote:
Ummmm he's talking about illegal immigration too. Do you know nothing about the immigration situation in southern Europe?

evidently not. lowing thinks we accept everyone with open socialist arms, slap them with a national insurance number and then let them free into their socialised, no-crime new lives. so painfully misguided it's unreal. feels like i'm giving a basic history lecture to a kindergarten kid.

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2011-07-21 05:40:47

#436

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6892|USA

Spark wrote:
Ummmm he's talking about illegal immigration too. Do you know nothing about the immigration situation in southern Europe?

nope not really, I assume you catch them and deport them? Well here, there is a huge battle and it considered racist, and a violation of our constitution to act on suspicions that your suspect is an illegal alien. By the way, illegal aliens are not covered under our constitution, but that does not deter the liberals from pursuing making them count for votes.

2011-07-21 05:41:18

#437

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6711

lowing wrote:
Jenspm wrote:
lowing wrote:

Yeah? and how the fuck is Greece doin' these days?
That's largely due to a terrible (tax) culture amongst the Greek, not the immigrants.
http://www.greekedirectory.com/greecegu … aspx?ID=10

"Starting from the 1990s, the crime rate in Greece has steadily increased. Obviously there has been a few incidents of armed robberies, car theft, and burglaries. This is due to the fact that since the 1990s, there has been an increase of illegal immigrations done by people of other countries"...

oops.

hey lowing you conveniently missed out the SENTENCE FOLLOWING THAT WHICH CONTRADICTS YOUR ARGUMENT

Nonetheless, the amount of conventional crimes in Greece has been one of the lowest in the world.

The serious problem in Greece, however, is the narcotics and drug trafficking. Greece is an important junction for illegal drugds that are marketed from Asia to Europe and The United States.

i'm confused: do you think that we're incredibly stupid, or is it just you?

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2011-07-21 05:41:47

#438

Jenspm: penis; +1,716|6973|St. Andrews / Oslo

lowing wrote:
Jenspm wrote:
lowing wrote:

Yeah? and how the fuck is Greece doin' these days?
That's largely due to a terrible (tax) culture amongst the Greek, not the immigrants.
http://www.greekedirectory.com/greecegu … aspx?ID=10

"Starting from the 1990s, the crime rate in Greece has steadily increased. Obviously there has been a few incidents of armed robberies, car theft, and burglaries. This is due to the fact that since the 1990s, there has been an increase of illegal immigrations done by people of other countries"...

oops.

Yeah, what does that have to do with the economic crash?

2011-07-21 05:41:58

#439

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6892|USA

Uzique wrote:
Spark wrote:
Ummmm he's talking about illegal immigration too. Do you know nothing about the immigration situation in southern Europe?
evidently not. lowing thinks we accept everyone with open socialist arms, slap them with a national insurance number and then let them free into their socialised, no-crime new lives. so painfully misguided it's unreal. feels like i'm giving a basic history lecture to a kindergarten kid.

go back and read what you wrote, you did not say shit about illegal aliens you talked about immigration. There is a difference. I don't care what you "meant". I wanted to be clear on what you were saying.

2011-07-21 05:42:22

#440

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6711

lowing wrote:
Spark wrote:
Ummmm he's talking about illegal immigration too. Do you know nothing about the immigration situation in southern Europe?
nope not really, I assume you catch them and deport them? Well here, there is a huge battle and it considered racist, and a violation of our constitution to act on suspicions that your suspect is an illegal alien. By the way, illegal aliens are not covered under our constitution, but that does not deter the liberals from pursuing making them count for votes.

we invented those human rights issues you cling to. of course we don't deport them. your assumptions are hideous and always poorly educated. this is straying from the topic at hand anyway: you cannot blame america's high incarceration rates on illegal immigrants. we all have immigration problems, yet you are by far and above the worst culprit for incarceration. please address this argument without straying off.

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2011-07-21 05:43:15

#441

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6711

Jenspm wrote:
lowing wrote:
Jenspm wrote:

That's largely due to a terrible (tax) culture amongst the Greek, not the immigrants.
http://www.greekedirectory.com/greecegu … aspx?ID=10

"Starting from the 1990s, the crime rate in Greece has steadily increased. Obviously there has been a few incidents of armed robberies, car theft, and burglaries. This is due to the fact that since the 1990s, there has been an increase of illegal immigrations done by people of other countries"...

oops.
Yeah, what does that have to do with the economic crash?

those damn immigrants with their petty crime rates (one of the lowest in the world) are to blame for greece's increase in crime-rates because of DRUGS TRAFFICKING TO THE US MARKET. the irony is unreal.

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2011-07-21 05:44:14

#442

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6892|USA

Jenspm wrote:
lowing wrote:
Jenspm wrote:

That's largely due to a terrible (tax) culture amongst the Greek, not the immigrants.
http://www.greekedirectory.com/greecegu … aspx?ID=10

"Starting from the 1990s, the crime rate in Greece has steadily increased. Obviously there has been a few incidents of armed robberies, car theft, and burglaries. This is due to the fact that since the 1990s, there has been an increase of illegal immigrations done by people of other countries"...

oops.
Yeah, what does that have to do with the economic crash?

ok back up a bit, what context do you wanna talk about Greece in, its economic failures, or its rising crime rates due to illegal immigration? I will let you pick since you are the one that mentioned Greece.

2011-07-21 05:46:41

#443

Cheeky_Ninja06: Member; +52|6973|Cambridge, England

lowing wrote:
Spark wrote:
Ummmm he's talking about illegal immigration too. Do you know nothing about the immigration situation in southern Europe?
nope not really, I assume you catch them and deport them? Well here, there is a huge battle and it considered racist, and a violation of our constitution to act on suspicions that your suspect is an illegal alien. By the way, illegal aliens are not covered under our constitution, but that does not deter the liberals from pursuing making them count for votes.

Whats human rights Racism and PCC? We have never heard of that over here.

However we still dont resort to labelling them little green men which frankly stinks of trying to make them appear as sub US citizen.

2011-07-21 05:48:09

#444

Jenspm: penis; +1,716|6973|St. Andrews / Oslo

I'm sorry, but unless you've been living under a rock, "how the fuck is Greece doin' these days?" is clearly pointing to the economic crash that has been In The News These Days.

But if you want to back-track and act like you meant the rising crime rate since the influx of illegal immigrants in the 1990s all along, and were never referring to their economic issues, go for it. lol.

2011-07-21 05:48:09

#445

Cheeky_Ninja06: Member; +52|6973|Cambridge, England

lowing wrote:
Jenspm wrote:
Yeah, what does that have to do with the economic crash?
ok back up a bit, what context do you wanna talk about Greece in, its economic failures, or its rising crime rates due to illegal immigration? I will let you pick since you are the one that mentioned Greece.

Nonetheless, the amount of conventional crimes in Greece has been one of the lowest in the world.

The serious problem in Greece, however, is the narcotics and drug trafficking. Greece is an important junction for illegal drugs that are marketed from Asia to Europe and The United States.

Ah yes the high crime rates due to illegal immigration.

Are you for real?

2011-07-21 05:48:31

#446

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6892|USA

Uzique wrote:
lowing wrote:
Spark wrote:
Ummmm he's talking about illegal immigration too. Do you know nothing about the immigration situation in southern Europe?
nope not really, I assume you catch them and deport them? Well here, there is a huge battle and it considered racist, and a violation of our constitution to act on suspicions that your suspect is an illegal alien. By the way, illegal aliens are not covered under our constitution, but that does not deter the liberals from pursuing making them count for votes.
we invented those human rights issues you cling to. of course we don't deport them. your assumptions are hideous and always poorly educated. this is straying from the topic at hand anyway: you cannot blame america's high incarceration rates on illegal immigrants. we all have immigration problems, yet you are by far and above the worst culprit for incarceration. please address this argument without straying off.

Already did, we have more, so we have more to take. We do not all have the same shit, some have more some have less, the envy factor thus comes into play. We have more freedom, and less govt. hand holding. In other words, we so not have such a strict baby sitter. Our boarders are practically non-exisitent, and I guess we do not have our govt. telling us we need to live close so they can provide for us better, and keep a closer eye on us.

2011-07-21 05:49:36

#447

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6892|USA

Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:
lowing wrote:
Spark wrote:
Ummmm he's talking about illegal immigration too. Do you know nothing about the immigration situation in southern Europe?
nope not really, I assume you catch them and deport them? Well here, there is a huge battle and it considered racist, and a violation of our constitution to act on suspicions that your suspect is an illegal alien. By the way, illegal aliens are not covered under our constitution, but that does not deter the liberals from pursuing making them count for votes.
Whats human rights Racism and PCC? We have never heard of that over here.

However we still dont resort to labelling them little green men which frankly stinks of trying to make them appear as sub US citizen.

Look up the new immigration laws for states like Arizona and get caught up.

2011-07-21 05:51:37

#448

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6892|USA

Jenspm wrote:
I'm sorry, but unless you've been living under a rock, "how the fuck is Greece doin' these days?" is clearly pointing to the economic crash that has been In The News These Days.

But if you want to back-track and act like you meant the rising crime rate since the influx of illegal immigrants in the 1990s all along, and were never referring to their economic issues, go for it. lol.

You mention greece, living in greece apparently sucks these days since the govt. can't hold them close like they are used to. Crime is going up, and so is illegal immigration, and that is tied together. So whatever you wanna discuss about Greece. GO ahead.

2011-07-21 05:53:32

#449

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6711

lowing wrote:
Uzique wrote:
lowing wrote:

nope not really, I assume you catch them and deport them? Well here, there is a huge battle and it considered racist, and a violation of our constitution to act on suspicions that your suspect is an illegal alien. By the way, illegal aliens are not covered under our constitution, but that does not deter the liberals from pursuing making them count for votes.
we invented those human rights issues you cling to. of course we don't deport them. your assumptions are hideous and always poorly educated. this is straying from the topic at hand anyway: you cannot blame america's high incarceration rates on illegal immigrants. we all have immigration problems, yet you are by far and above the worst culprit for incarceration. please address this argument without straying off.
Already did, we have more, so we have more to take. We do not all have the same shit, some have more some have less, the envy factor thus comes into play. We have more freedom, and less govt. hand holding. In other words, we so not have such a strict baby sitter. Our boarders are practically non-exisitent, and I guess we do not have our govt. telling us we need to live close so they can provide for us better, and keep a closer eye on us.

i'm sorry but at which point are you going from "we have more freedom" to "we have the highest population of adults in prison in the world". and don't talk about "we have more people" - the figures are PER THOUSAND PEOPLE, as in a proportion comparable to any other european nation. and yeah i bet your borders are so much more difficult to police than the entire meditteranean sea, right? and lol at the last point. you are a fucking moron. an utter fucking moron. we've already spent the last 4 pages kindly telling you why you misunderstand (or possibly cannot grasp) the idea of 'personal responsibility' when it comes to building in the middle of nowhere and bills costing more. what's that got to do with your prison rates again?

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2011-07-21 05:55:28

#450

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6711

lowing wrote:
Jenspm wrote:
I'm sorry, but unless you've been living under a rock, "how the fuck is Greece doin' these days?" is clearly pointing to the economic crash that has been In The News These Days.

But if you want to back-track and act like you meant the rising crime rate since the influx of illegal immigrants in the 1990s all along, and were never referring to their economic issues, go for it. lol.
You mention greece, living in greece apparently sucks these days since the govt. can't hold them close like they are used to. Crime is going up, and so is illegal immigration, and that is tied together. So whatever you wanna discuss about Greece. GO ahead.

actually your greek website that you quoted said EXACTLY that the crime rate going up is because of DRUGS TRAFFICKING to europe and NORTH AMERICA. it also said straight after your quoted sentence that greece has one of the LOWEST CONVENTIONAL CRIME RATES IN THE WORLD (even with rapidly increasing illegal immigration). do you read the websites that you rely on? you are the worst debater i have seen in this forum, hands down. blind isn't even the right word. catatonic, more like.

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