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2011-07-21 04:54:29

#401

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6892|USA

Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:
lowing wrote:
and let me guess, you think states like Arizona's boarder control laws are racist. right? Well it would appear simple, get rid of illegal aliens and our prison population and prison stats go down.
Oo is that putting words into my mouth again? I couldnt even find Arizona on a map let alone tell you what their border controls are.

Id also like to point out you have labelled me as a "nanny state" socialist yet the WWII thread started because I was arguing (and this is always thin ice) that the Nazis were massively popular in Germany and a lot of their policies were very successful.

Also you are interchanging "country" and "suburbs" depending on which circumstance suits your argument at the time. You started off claiming the majority of Americans enjoy an 8 acre mansion in the country (in reality 20%) and now you are arguing about a suburban explosion? Or do the suburban properties all have 8 acres? :S

You are also comparing a European isolated country house with a US suburban neighbourhood. Of course the infrastructure costs are different. Compare apples with apples ffs.

However I fail to see how your house justifies such a high incarceration rate and such a high crime rate. I would also suggest that crime becomes a larger problem the more densely populated an area is. Therefore your high crime rate would reflect your high percentage of urban living. However you claim the opposite is true which simply does not correlate. Plus you continue to deny, in direct contradiction to all the evidence, that USA has a high crime rate and that you are likely to be a victim of crime.

As for your liberty argument, if having "freedom and liberty" means you are more than 3 times as likely to end up in prison and significantly more likely to be a victim of crime, then you can keep it. Statistically Europe enjoys a higher quality of life so perhaps you could learn something from us?

I didn't say the majority of people in the us own 8 acres. I said 8 acres is very doable for a middle class family.

I didn't say our housing justifies prison rates. The housing shit started when I mentioned our quality of life and you all pounced on it to prove YOU have a greater quality of life.

ALready gave possible explanations to our crime rates.. One possibility being, when you all have the same shit, there is very little reason to any else who has more than you. Who wants to rob a 2 bedroom flat?

2011-07-21 04:58:45

#402

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6892|USA

Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:
New post as new point

Caught this on the BBC which bought me back here as I knew it would make lowing go crazy.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-14199078

In the nine years Mark Stroman has been on death row in Texas, he says he has watched 208 people walk past him on the way to be executed.

This week it is his turn.

But fighting to save his life is the man he shot in the face and blinded in one eye.

...

"What Mark Stroman did was a hate crime, and hate crimes come from ignorance," said Rais Bhuiyan, 37, the only man to survive the shooting.

"His execution will not eradicate hate crimes from this world, we will just simply lose another human life."
Im not advocating letting off all murderers but thought that as the source is the victim it might be food for thought.

At least its more on topic than most of the rubbish

"Texas death row killer forgiven by shooting victim" <----- that is the headline? not sure how dead victim can forgive the person that killed him, but hey whatever you say.

2011-07-21 05:01:26

#403

RTHKI: mmmf mmmf mmmf; +1,741|6978|Cinncinatti

"Stroman attacked three people, killing two of them."
Last I checked that leaves one to be alive able to forgive him.

2011-07-21 05:03:30

#404

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6892|USA

Uzique wrote:
yeah but how many mexicans without greencards does europe have per 100,000

Hey like it or not, people that come to our society illegally and break the laws of our society is not a reflection on our society, but on the people that do it. They are not part of our society.

2011-07-21 05:03:43

#405

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,815|6347|eXtreme to the maX

The point is he's going to be killed, which is fun to watch and works really well at deterring crime.

Fuck Israel

2011-07-21 05:06:18

#406

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6892|USA

Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:
lowing wrote:
Nope, not at all. But that is not a reflexion on our society more than it is a reflexion on the individual. Or maybe you can explain how 10 out of 11 black men seem to manage life in our society without ever going to jail.
So criminals making up 9% of the population is not a reflection on your society / culture?

No wonder you think the system is working.

lowing wrote:
We do not through them in prison for being here illegally, We do throw them in prison for crime though.
Why don't you deport them? Then they wont commit crime in USA. Problem solved? Or failing that when you arrest them and realise they are little green men why don't you deport them? Then they wont be in your prison system.

Or (and this might be a bit radical for you) why don't you look at why so many resort to a life of crime? Then you could treat the cause of the problem rather than the symptoms. But then I guess hell would freeze over.

read a newspaper. To deport illegal aliens is a violation of human rights, racist, etc.... plus the democrats think, and rightfully so, that if they push for the illegals to stay, they can get their votes.

2011-07-21 05:07:54

#407

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6892|USA

RTHKI wrote:
"Stroman attacked three people, killing two of them."
Last I checked that leaves one to be alive able to forgive him.

wow how nice of the LIVE GUY to forgive the killer on behalf of the DEAD GUY. Shouldn't someone ask the DEAG GUY how he feel about it?

2011-07-21 05:08:58

#408

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,815|6347|eXtreme to the maX

While the Republicans and their corporations get cheap labour they don't have to pay tax on, pay medical insurance for or give employment rights to.

Its win-win, which is why neither party is doing anything about it.

Fuck Israel

2011-07-21 05:09:00

#409

Jenspm: penis; +1,716|6973|St. Andrews / Oslo

lowing wrote:
Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:
War Man wrote:
How is the prison population of all European countries compared to USA?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c … 7_2008.PNG

I think that is pretty succinct.

No figures on this one but correlates quite well with the above.

Image shows "peace levels" rather than crime levels. Hence very high being the best.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_ZL3Kngb81qo/SiY7C … imgmax=800

level of violent crime,
number of homicides/murders,
Ease of access to weapons,
level of organised internal conflict,
criminality,
Little respect for human rights and
likelihood of violent demonstrations.

Note:

The most peaceful country in the world is New Zealand, followed by Denmark and Norway. The least peaceful country is Iraq.

Western and/or Central European democracies account for 14 of the top 20 rankings.
All five Scandinavian countries are in the top 10.

The United States is ranked at 83, with a "significant negative" being the jailing of a higher proportion of its population than any other country in the index.
Wonder if you got any stats on how many in our prisons are here illegally and from those other countries that have lower prison rates? Here let me help http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/ … 4208.shtml http://www.associatedcontent.com/articl … legal.html
and let me guess, you think states like Arizona's boarder control laws are racist. right? Well it would appear simple, get rid of illegal aliens and our prison population and prison stats go down.

"Illegal aliens account for nearly 30% of prison populations nationwide"

Remove all of those and you're still in Dark Orange, only beaten by Russia, and that's without removing Russia's illegals.

https://static.bf2s.com/files/user/26774/flickricon.png

2011-07-21 05:09:11

#410

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6892|USA

Dilbert_X wrote:
The point is he's going to be killed, which is fun to watch and works really well at deterring crime.

Nope, the point is, he is going to be executed for the murder of another person, as releasing him into society is not in the best interest of society.

2011-07-21 05:10:19

#411

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,815|6347|eXtreme to the maX

Either way, its not reducing your sky-high crime rate so whats your point?

Fuck Israel

2011-07-21 05:10:51

#412

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6712

lowing wrote:
Uzique wrote:
yeah but how many mexicans without greencards does europe have per 100,000

Hey like it or not, people that come to our society illegally and break the laws of our society is not a reflection on our society, but on the people that do it. They are not part of our society.

my point is that is a tiny tiny part of your overall prison population. your incarceration rates are high nation-wide, not only bordering the rio grande.

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2011-07-21 05:12:45

#413

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6892|USA

Jenspm wrote:
lowing wrote:
Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:
War Man wrote:
How is the prison population of all European countries compared to USA?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c … 7_2008.PNG

I think that is pretty succinct.

No figures on this one but correlates quite well with the above.

Image shows "peace levels" rather than crime levels. Hence very high being the best.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_ZL3Kngb81qo/SiY7C … imgmax=800

level of violent crime,
number of homicides/murders,
Ease of access to weapons,
level of organised internal conflict,
criminality,
Little respect for human rights and
likelihood of violent demonstrations.

Note:

Wonder if you got any stats on how many in our prisons are here illegally and from those other countries that have lower prison rates? Here let me help http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/ … 4208.shtml http://www.associatedcontent.com/articl … legal.html
and let me guess, you think states like Arizona's boarder control laws are racist. right? Well it would appear simple, get rid of illegal aliens and our prison population and prison stats go down.
"Illegal aliens account for nearly 30% of prison populations nationwide"

Remove all of those and you're still in Dark Orange, only beaten by Russia, and that's without removing Russia's illegals.

Well I guess the only solution is to make everyone have the same, let govt. spread the wealth evenly so no one has more than anyone else, elevating the envy of another?

2011-07-21 05:15:06

#414

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6892|USA

Uzique wrote:
lowing wrote:
Uzique wrote:
yeah but how many mexicans without greencards does europe have per 100,000

Hey like it or not, people that come to our society illegally and break the laws of our society is not a reflection on our society, but on the people that do it. They are not part of our society.
my point is that is a tiny tiny part of your overall prison population. your incarceration rates are high nation-wide, not only bordering the rio grande.

Yeah you do know illegals once here, pretty much spread through out the country right? We do not have to show papers from state to state. They go where ever they see exploitation possibilities

2011-07-21 05:16:12

#415

Jenspm: penis; +1,716|6973|St. Andrews / Oslo

lowing wrote:
Jenspm wrote:
lowing wrote:

Wonder if you got any stats on how many in our prisons are here illegally and from those other countries that have lower prison rates? Here let me help http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/ … 4208.shtml http://www.associatedcontent.com/articl … legal.html
and let me guess, you think states like Arizona's boarder control laws are racist. right? Well it would appear simple, get rid of illegal aliens and our prison population and prison stats go down.
"Illegal aliens account for nearly 30% of prison populations nationwide"

Remove all of those and you're still in Dark Orange, only beaten by Russia, and that's without removing Russia's illegals.
Well I guess the only solution is to make everyone have the same, let govt. spread the wealth evenly so no one has more than anyone else, elevating the envy of another?

No, but you could start looking into the problems instead of just blaming Mexicans.

2011-07-21 05:17:09

#416

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6892|USA

Dilbert_X wrote:
Either way, its not reducing your sky-high crime rate so whats your point?

The point? The point is that cock sucker is giving up his right to life for the life he took and society is done with him.

2011-07-21 05:20:42

#417

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6892|USA

Jenspm wrote:
lowing wrote:
Jenspm wrote:

"Illegal aliens account for nearly 30% of prison populations nationwide"

Remove all of those and you're still in Dark Orange, only beaten by Russia, and that's without removing Russia's illegals.
Well I guess the only solution is to make everyone have the same, let govt. spread the wealth evenly so no one has more than anyone else, elevating the envy of another?
No, but you could start looking into the problems instead of just blaming Mexicans.

Already did, we have too much freedom, govt. should reel us in like they do in Europe. We have too much shit, we should spread it around like you do in Europe. We should move back into the city where the govt. can better serve us, like you do in Europe. Did I miss anything?

2011-07-21 05:22:56

#418

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6892|USA

lowing wrote:
Dilbert_X wrote:
Uzique wrote:
lowing our infrastructure is much older than yours in america. no shit the govt. is going to try and incentivize people to live where it's more convenient for everyone. if you live in a nanny-state, you'd rather it be an efficient one than one that throws money away, no?
That and Yurpeons don't see the benefit in covering the countryside with slums and roadways.

http://www.self-catering-breaks.com/ima … 693043.jpg

is way better than

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_GBaAuR8F3Zw/T … wtn+LA.jpg

Even if it does mean living in small houses close to where people work.
well fuck I can do that as well.
http://www.localpropertyindex.com/Searc … 00000/0/p2

and in the suburbs of Atlanta for the same money you get

http://www.remax-georgia.com/zip/30004

wasn't sure if you caught this Dilbert or if you chose to just ignore it.

2011-07-21 05:23:47

#419

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5420|Sydney

lowing wrote:
Jenspm wrote:
lowing wrote:

Well I guess the only solution is to make everyone have the same, let govt. spread the wealth evenly so no one has more than anyone else, elevating the envy of another?
No, but you could start looking into the problems instead of just blaming Mexicans.
Already did, we have too much freedom, govt. should reel us in like they do in Europe. We have too much shit, we should spread it around like you do in Europe. We should move back into the city where the govt. can better serve us, like you do in Europe. Did I miss anything?

You forgot to blame Mexicans again.

2011-07-21 05:24:02

#420

Jenspm: penis; +1,716|6973|St. Andrews / Oslo

lowing wrote:
Jenspm wrote:
lowing wrote:

Well I guess the only solution is to make everyone have the same, let govt. spread the wealth evenly so no one has more than anyone else, elevating the envy of another?
No, but you could start looking into the problems instead of just blaming Mexicans.
Already did, we have too much freedom, govt. should reel us in like they do in Europe. We have too much shit, we should spread it around like you do in Europe. We should move back into the city where the govt. can better serve us, like you do in Europe. Did I miss anything?

Nah, sounds like you have pretty good grasp of European socialism

2011-07-21 05:26:27

#421

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6712

lowing wrote:
Uzique wrote:
lowing wrote:

Hey like it or not, people that come to our society illegally and break the laws of our society is not a reflection on our society, but on the people that do it. They are not part of our society.
my point is that is a tiny tiny part of your overall prison population. your incarceration rates are high nation-wide, not only bordering the rio grande.
Yeah you do know illegals once here, pretty much spread through out the country right? We do not have to show papers from state to state. They go where ever they see exploitation possibilities

so you literally think that the reason your prison population is higher than anywhere else in the world is because of mexican immigrants? what do you answer to my argument about all of southern europe facing a massive immigration / refugee problem from northern africa and the arab world? which it has been quietly dealing with for many years, furthermore? where are their prison rates?

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2011-07-21 05:27:09

#422

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6892|USA

Jaekus wrote:
lowing wrote:
Jenspm wrote:
No, but you could start looking into the problems instead of just blaming Mexicans.
Already did, we have too much freedom, govt. should reel us in like they do in Europe. We have too much shit, we should spread it around like you do in Europe. We should move back into the city where the govt. can better serve us, like you do in Europe. Did I miss anything?
You forgot to blame Mexicans again.

Did I say mexicans, I said illegal aliens, if they happen to be mexican then so be it. Glad we agree on the other solutions though.

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2011-07-21 05:29:15

#423

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6892|USA

Uzique wrote:
lowing wrote:
Uzique wrote:
my point is that is a tiny tiny part of your overall prison population. your incarceration rates are high nation-wide, not only bordering the rio grande.
Yeah you do know illegals once here, pretty much spread through out the country right? We do not have to show papers from state to state. They go where ever they see exploitation possibilities
so you literally think that the reason your prison population is higher than anywhere else in the world is because of mexican immigrants? what do you answer to my argument about all of southern europe facing a massive immigration / refugee problem from northern africa and the arab world? which it has been quietly dealing with for many years, furthermore? where are their prison rates?

excuse me, are we talking about legal immigrants or illegal aliens? CUz I think there is a difference. If you have a massive illegal immigrant problem tell me about it.

and 30% of our prisons being made up of illegals does make our prison population grow, yes

Last edited by lowing (2011-07-21 05:30:16)

2011-07-21 05:29:19

#424

Jenspm: penis; +1,716|6973|St. Andrews / Oslo

And since you asked for stats on that, here's an example (Greece)

The scope of the issue becomes even more compelling when one calculates that in 2010 alone, some 150,000 illegal immigrants entered Greece, almost exclusively from the Middle East, North Africa and the Indian sub-continent.

http://www.balkanalysis.com/greece/2011 … -security/

2011-07-21 05:29:36

#425

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6712

every single advanced western country deals with illegal aliens. the north of england has a strikingly high rate of completely off-the-records indian and pakistani residents. eastern europeans. people crammed 8 into a room. people living in back-yard sheds and outhouses. people paying no taxes, with no paperwork, with no trace on the government records. why isn't our incarceration rate as high as yours? are you suggesting america is the only country in the world with immigration problems? because you are sorely, sorely mistaken.

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