EE Chats July

2011-07-19 15:45:58

#4376

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5663|London, England

Macbeth wrote:
Uzique is pretty spot on about the college system. Getting through college in the U.S. is 50% money-50% sheer perseverance. It's not exactly a challenge.

Speak for yourself Mr. Community College.

Last edited by Jay (2011-07-19 15:46:32)

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2011-07-19 15:46:48

#4377

jsnipy: ...; +3,277|6828|...

Jay wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
Uzique is pretty spot on about the college system. Getting through college in the U.S. is 50% money-50% sheer perseverance. It's not exactly a challenge.
Speak for yourself.

Uzique is right, your experiences if true were probably a fluke

sorry

2011-07-19 15:47:23

#4378

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5891

Jay wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
Uzique is pretty spot on about the college system. Getting through college in the U.S. is 50% money-50% sheer perseverance. It's not exactly a challenge.
Speak for yourself Mr. Community College.

I got to Rutgers University. What college did you go to?

2011-07-19 15:48:57

#4379

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5663|London, England

Uzique wrote:
are you kidding? the amount of engagement i see from management students and 'profession' degrees is ridiculous. their education consists of learning the relevant textbook chapters for the next exam so they can get their credits and scale one more rung on the ladder towards their end-goal of middle-management obscurity. liberal arts degrees require you to have some critical engagement with a wide range of disciplines: the vocational degrees are literally just functional affairs of 'show you're competent and onto the next module you go'. plus this is nothing controversial: of course 75% of university students are still going to be pretty average. if universities literally only took in the academically gifted, their intake figures would be paltry and their incomes/endowments would be miserable. plus, a summa cum laude or 1:1 degree means nothing if you don't have 95% of the class being relatively worse.

Engineering doesn't work like that. If you just try to memorize formulas you will fail the FE exam. You have to know and understand your shit to pass. There is no skating by or climbing the ladder.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2011-07-19 15:49:53

#4380

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5663|London, England

jsnipy wrote:
Jay wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
Uzique is pretty spot on about the college system. Getting through college in the U.S. is 50% money-50% sheer perseverance. It's not exactly a challenge.
Speak for yourself.
Uzique is right, your experiences if true were probably a fluke

sorry

And your degree is in what?

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2011-07-19 15:49:57

#4381

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6776

i thought galt went to some naval college for post-pogs to flex their desert-sun shrunken little brains... who's throwing around community college jibes? this has nothing to do with the quality of 'x' college - it's just obvious fact. to stay afloat in the market of higher-education universities have to take in huge numbers of students (not to mention the international fees gravytrain...) and of course not all of these candidates are going to be nobel and pulitzer prize winners. in any pool of people doing any given thing, the average bell-jar curve is going to statistically assert that the vast majority are simply average at what they are doing, at any given level. meet 'x' university entry requirements? ok. 75% of those people at that level are going to be average. that's the whole point of the honours system and degree grading scale.

Last edited by Uzique (2011-07-19 15:50:48)

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2011-07-19 15:51:02

#4382

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5663|London, England

My experience doesn't apply to everyone. I chose the most difficult undergraduate program offered and graduated with a 3.9.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2011-07-19 15:52:14

#4383

jsnipy: ...; +3,277|6828|...

Jay wrote:
jsnipy wrote:
Jay wrote:
Speak for yourself.
Uzique is right, your experiences if true were probably a fluke

sorry
And your degree is in what?

I went to school for 2 years and got a crappy AS in applied science and make over $125/yr

Before I went to a crowded public school as well

I already know the work you and your father did so don't lie

2011-07-19 15:52:59

#4384

Shocking: sorry you feel that way; +333|6305|...

I went to a public school and a private school later on, had some amazing teachers and some that really weren't any good in both. Education was overall better in the private school though - smaller classes and some really good teachers.

Jay I doubt you yourself were interested in learning calculus when you were a 12-16 year old or knew that your future career would be EE. The point is that through experience, people learn - and school is just one of those experiences a person needs to go through, good or bad. Faster (or more) is not always better and 99% of the people need the time, however useless it may seem, to develop themselves and figure out what motivates them. There are loads of underachievers in school not because of bad tutelage but because they haven't figured out why they should be doing their best and work hard when they can do just fine with low grades.

I don't know if your issue is the quality of the education or the stuff kids learn when they're young. The quality over here was fine really. It's about teaching kids the basics to get them through further education. Though I had people like my English teacher telling me that all the time I spent at school was wasted and that I should get my then 14 year old ass to uni because I wouldn't be learning anything worthwhile in school.. I'm really glad things didn't go that way. Now that I'm done with school I've learned to appreciate it much more. If not for the things I learned, for the social interaction and the time I had to think about me.

inane little opines

2011-07-19 15:53:29

#4385

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6776

Jay wrote:
Uzique wrote:
are you kidding? the amount of engagement i see from management students and 'profession' degrees is ridiculous. their education consists of learning the relevant textbook chapters for the next exam so they can get their credits and scale one more rung on the ladder towards their end-goal of middle-management obscurity. liberal arts degrees require you to have some critical engagement with a wide range of disciplines: the vocational degrees are literally just functional affairs of 'show you're competent and onto the next module you go'. plus this is nothing controversial: of course 75% of university students are still going to be pretty average. if universities literally only took in the academically gifted, their intake figures would be paltry and their incomes/endowments would be miserable. plus, a summa cum laude or 1:1 degree means nothing if you don't have 95% of the class being relatively worse.
Engineering doesn't work like that. If you just try to memorize formulas you will fail the FE exam. You have to know and understand your shit to pass. There is no skating by or climbing the ladder.

but still 75% of the people in your class are not engineering geniuses. they just did what they had to do to pass. they didn't have any particular great passion - even if the course was hard - and just did what they could to suffice and get an average grade. not everyone graduated with a 3.8-4.0, no? so even with what their studying entailed, they were average. that's all i'm saying. your gave across the impression that college, in comparison to high-school, was full of people fully engaged and adept with their subject. it's sadly just not like that. i know plenty of people at oxbridge and all sorts of 'genius' universities that simply got there and simply get by through hitting the books, hard, and persevering. no particular savants.

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2011-07-19 15:53:57

#4386

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5663|London, England

jsnipy wrote:
Jay wrote:
jsnipy wrote:

Uzique is right, your experiences if true were probably a fluke

sorry
And your degree is in what?
I went to school for 2 years and got a crappy AS in applied science and make over $125/yr

Before I went to a crowded public school as well

I already know the work you and your father did so don't lie

The work me and my father did? lolwut?

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2011-07-19 15:54:21

#4387

jsnipy: ...; +3,277|6828|...

Jay wrote:
jsnipy wrote:
Jay wrote:
And your degree is in what?
I went to school for 2 years and got a crappy AS in applied science and make over $125/yr

Before I went to a crowded public school as well

I already know the work you and your father did so don't lie
The work me and my father did? lolwut?

you seem to have amnesia

But i agree with you about the field are you real engineer (software engineer does not count)?

2011-07-19 15:55:07

#4388

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5891

Jay wrote:
jsnipy wrote:
Jay wrote:

And your degree is in what?
I went to school for 2 years and got a crappy AS in applied science and make over $125/yr

Before I went to a crowded public school as well

I already know the work you and your father did so don't lie
The work me and my father did? lolwut?

The only reason you got into your private high school is because your step father cleaned toilets there. You fought in a war for your undergrad.

2011-07-19 15:56:31

#4389

jsnipy: ...; +3,277|6828|...

jay why are you so angry all the time

2011-07-19 15:56:48

#4390

bugz: Fission Mailed; +3,311|6617

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2011-07-19 15:58:25

#4391

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2011-07-19 15:58:58

#4392

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5663|London, England

Uzique wrote:
Jay wrote:
Uzique wrote:
are you kidding? the amount of engagement i see from management students and 'profession' degrees is ridiculous. their education consists of learning the relevant textbook chapters for the next exam so they can get their credits and scale one more rung on the ladder towards their end-goal of middle-management obscurity. liberal arts degrees require you to have some critical engagement with a wide range of disciplines: the vocational degrees are literally just functional affairs of 'show you're competent and onto the next module you go'. plus this is nothing controversial: of course 75% of university students are still going to be pretty average. if universities literally only took in the academically gifted, their intake figures would be paltry and their incomes/endowments would be miserable. plus, a summa cum laude or 1:1 degree means nothing if you don't have 95% of the class being relatively worse.
Engineering doesn't work like that. If you just try to memorize formulas you will fail the FE exam. You have to know and understand your shit to pass. There is no skating by or climbing the ladder.
but still 75% of the people in your class are not engineering geniuses. they just did what they had to do to pass. they didn't have any particular great passion - even if the course was hard - and just did what they could to suffice and get an average grade. not everyone graduated with a 3.8-4.0, no? so even with what their studying entailed, they were average. that's all i'm saying. your gave across the impression that college, in comparison to high-school, was full of people fully engaged and adept with their subject. it's sadly just not like that. i know plenty of people at oxbridge and all sorts of 'genius' universities that simply got there and simply get by through hitting the books, hard, and persevering. no particular savants.

No, I never said any such thing. I said that college was taught to the top of the class rather than the bottom. I excelled because I was challenged like this. Many of my peers dropped out of school because they couldn't handle the work load. An attrition rate like that can not happen in grade school where the state is responsible for getting the kids through graduation. Colleges don't give a crap whether your dog died or whatever. If you fail, you're out.

As for the kids that made it through on sheer perseverance, good for them. They obviously had enough talent to make it through. They just had to work harder for it.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2011-07-19 15:59:45

#4393

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5663|London, England

jsnipy wrote:
Jay wrote:
jsnipy wrote:

I went to school for 2 years and got a crappy AS in applied science and make over $125/yr

Before I went to a crowded public school as well

I already know the work you and your father did so don't lie
The work me and my father did? lolwut?
you seem to have amnesia

But i agree with you about the field are you real engineer (software engineer does not count)?

EE

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2011-07-19 16:00:09

#4394

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5663|London, England

Macbeth wrote:
Jay wrote:
jsnipy wrote:

I went to school for 2 years and got a crappy AS in applied science and make over $125/yr

Before I went to a crowded public school as well

I already know the work you and your father did so don't lie
The work me and my father did? lolwut?
The only reason you got into your private high school is because your step father cleaned toilets there. You fought in a war for your undergrad.

And your mom sucked cock to come to America.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2011-07-19 16:00:12

#4395

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6776

Macbeth wrote:
Jay wrote:
jsnipy wrote:

I went to school for 2 years and got a crappy AS in applied science and make over $125/yr

Before I went to a crowded public school as well

I already know the work you and your father did so don't lie
The work me and my father did? lolwut?
The only reason you got into your private high school is because your step father cleaned toilets there. You fought in a war for your undergrad.

you can't really fault the second one (i wish the uk had a system that paid for university like that) but it does seem kinda puzzling when galt talks about academic excellence. undergraduate degrees are so common and devalued now - a mixture of education becoming more career-focussed and thus more easy, and a mixture of lots of shitty colleges awarding degrees not worth the paper and hence flooding the graduate pool. i could honestly say that perhaps 1 in 5 of the people in each of my classes were genuinely turned-on to their education and 'smart' about it. the rest were just there because an undergrad degree is something you need as a stepping-stone to a perceived better lifestyle. and my course is top10 national, top25 europe, top100 world etc.etc. yada yada. it doesn't matter if you're at harvard or at some community college in utah. majority of people nowadays are pushing for college level education because it's a benchmark of... nothing-really-much.

_{libertarian benefit collector - anti-academic super-intellectual}. _{http://mixlr.com/the-little-phrase/}

2011-07-19 16:00:36

#4396

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6776

Jay wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
Jay wrote:

The work me and my father did? lolwut?
The only reason you got into your private high school is because your step father cleaned toilets there. You fought in a war for your undergrad.
And your mom sucked cock to come to America.

whahahaa

_{libertarian benefit collector - anti-academic super-intellectual}. _{http://mixlr.com/the-little-phrase/}

2011-07-19 16:01:31

#4397

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5663|London, England

Uzique wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
Jay wrote:

The work me and my father did? lolwut?
The only reason you got into your private high school is because your step father cleaned toilets there. You fought in a war for your undergrad.
you can't really fault the second one (i wish the uk had a system that paid for university like that) but it does seem kinda puzzling when galt talks about academic excellence. undergraduate degrees are so common and devalued now - a mixture of education becoming more career-focussed and thus more easy, and a mixture of lots of shitty colleges awarding degrees not worth the paper and hence flooding the graduate pool. i could honestly say that perhaps 1 in 5 of the people in each of my classes were genuinely turned-on to their education and 'smart' about it. the rest were just there because an undergrad degree is something you need as a stepping-stone to a perceived better lifestyle. and my course is top10 national, top25 europe, top100 world etc.etc. yada yada. it doesn't matter if you're at harvard or at some community college in utah. majority of people nowadays are pushing for college level education because it's a benchmark of... nothing-really-much.

I don't value all college degrees equally, trust me. David Beckham studies anyone?

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2011-07-19 16:02:07

#4398

Toilet Sex: one love, one pig; +1,775|6877

david beckham is awesome

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2011-07-19 16:02:26

#4399

Shocking: sorry you feel that way; +333|6305|...

Jay wrote:
I said that college was taught to the top of the class rather than the bottom. I excelled because I was challenged like this.

I believe the cause for this is your motivation to do well rather than the teachers you had.

I'm pretty sure places like Harvard, Yale, Oxford etc have their share of mediocre students not because they can't do good but because they're not interested in doing so.

edit;wops wrong quote

Last edited by Shocking (2011-07-19 16:07:14)

inane little opines

2011-07-19 16:08:55

#4400

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6776

Jay wrote:
I don't value all college degrees equally, trust me. David Beckham studies anyone?

the same can be said for almost any degree from a shit enough college, though. even subjects become irrelevant in the bottom quartile of performing colleges: the courses just exist to keep mediocre drop-out academics in tenure, and to keep on generating money for institutions that don't really give a shit about good standards or research excellence. businesses offering people dog-degrees because they're now the minimum qualification, although not everyone is academically gifted enough to merit a 'real' one.

Last edited by Uzique (2011-07-19 16:09:09)

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