If that is the case, and it is proven then yes. The buck stops with him.
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He's rich and powerful enough to dodge anything that tries to be pinned on him. At worst he'll cop a fine and find someone to be the scapegoat. Pretty meaningless to a multi billionaire, other than time and reputation.
Being powerful isn't enough to convict a man though. You've got to demonstrate that he was culpable. That same powerful status is also why it's feasible to think he was unaware of the operation. Think about Tyco, WorldComm, Bernard Madoff and Enron as well as other ponzi scheming big wigs. Money sure does help with your defense. But it's no guarantee that you'll get off.
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True. I still think Rebekah Brooks is the real one behind it all. It's feasible to say Murdoch didn't really know what was going on as he has his hands in a few different pies. Brooks was the editor though, so you would think she'd know about everything.
Murdoch's influence on everything is overrated tbh. Yes he has political opinions, yes they are right leaning. But given a choice between push an opinion or make a shitload of money, he'll take the latter every time.
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Murdoch is the Kingmaker in UK politics, not so much in the US or Australia.
Maybe you're not aware that UK papers under his control flip allegiance between parties and significantly influence elections and govt policy.
British politicians have no choice but to kow-tow to him.
eg
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busines … 6096119443
Maybe you're not aware that UK papers under his control flip allegiance between parties and significantly influence elections and govt policy.
British politicians have no choice but to kow-tow to him.
eg
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busines … 6096119443
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po … 57825.htmlPrime Minister David Cameron's Conservative-led government and the London police, meanwhile, faced increasing questions over their close relationship with Murdoch's media empire.
Cameron was feeling the heat yesterday after government records showed that Murdoch executives have held 26 meetings with him in since he was elected in May 2010 and were invited to his country retreat.
Senior police officers also had close ties to Murdoch executives, even hiring one as a consultant who has since been arrested in the phone hacking and police bribery scandal rocking Murdoch's News Corp.
Tony Blair had three conversations with the media magnate Rupert Murdoch in the nine days before the start of the Iraq war, the Government has disclosed.
Details of the former prime minister's contacts with Mr Murdoch have been released under the Freedom of Information Act. After trying to block disclosure for four years, the Government backed down in a surprise change of heart the day after Mr Blair resigned last month.
Tony Blair had three conversations with the media magnate Rupert Murdoch in the nine days before the start of the Iraq war, the Government has disclosed.
Details of the former prime minister's contacts with Mr Murdoch have been released under the Freedom of Information Act. After trying to block disclosure for four years, the Government backed down in a surprise change of heart the day after Mr Blair resigned last month.
In Alastair Campbell's diaries, published last week, the former spin doctor described a Downing Street dinner for Mr Murdoch and his sons, James and Lachlan, in 2002. "Murdoch pointed out that his were the only papers that gave us support when the going got tough. 'I've noticed,' said TB," Mr Campbell wrote. Lance Price, Mr Campbell's deputy, called Mr Murdoch "the 24th member of the [Blair] Cabinet". He added: "His presence was always felt. No big decision could ever be made inside No10 without taking account of the likely reaction of three men, Gordon Brown, John Prescott and Rupert Murdoch. On all the really big decisions, anybody else could safely be ignored."
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Well, well, well. What do you know?
Brooks arrested over hacking scandal
Brooks arrested over hacking scandal
Former News International chief executive Rebekah Brooks has been arrested and Britain's most senior police officer has resigned in the latest developments in the phone hacking scandal rocking Rupert Murdoch's media empire.
Ms Brooks, who had resigned as head of News International on Friday, was arrested at midday on Sunday (local time) in London as part of an investigation into allegations of illegal voicemail interception and police bribery.
British police have been slammed over their handling of the snowballing crisis, and Sir Paul himself faced accusations on Sunday over his links to the tycoon.
Sir Paul was linked to former News of the World deputy editor Neil Wallis in reports which said the police chief accepted a five-week stay earlier this year at a luxury health spa where Mr Wallis worked as a public relations consultant.
The force is already facing questions about why it hired Mr Wallis as an advisor two months after he quit the tabloid. Mr Wallis was arrested last week.
"I have taken this decision as a consequence of the ongoing speculation and accusations relating to the Met's links with News International at a senior level and in particular in relation to Mr Neil Wallis, who as you know was arrested in connection with Operation Weeting last week," Sir Paul said.
But he insisted he had committed no impropriety.
"Let me state clearly, I and the people who know me know that my integrity is completely intact.
"I may wish we had done some things differently, but I will not lose sleep over my personal integrity."
Very messy. I think it's going to take a while to unravel this one.Mr Murdoch broke his silence by publishing apologies in several newspapers at the weekend, as British politicians demanded his grip over the country's media be weakened.
He lost another loyal executive on Friday when Les Hinton resigned as chief executive of his Dow Jones & Co, which publishes The Wall Street Journal.
"There are no excuses and should be no place to hide ... We will continue to cooperate fully and actively with the Metropolitan Police Service," News International said in an announcement on Sunday.
Leading British politicians renewed calls for greater media plurality and press regulation - a direct threat to Mr Murdoch's empire, which includes the influential Sun tabloid newspaper, the Times and Sunday Times broadsheets, and crucially, a large chunk of BSkyB.
The Sunday Telegraph reported that members of the board of BSkyB, of which News Corp owns 39 per cent and where James serves as chairman, are due to meet in a special session on July 28 to discuss his future.
The scandal has also embroiled Britain's police, who are accused of being too close to News Corp, of accepting cash from the now defunct News of the World and other newspapers, and of not doing enough to investigate the phone-hacking allegations that surfaced as far as back as 2005.
Bear in mind, getting arrested might work to her advantage, she can avoid answering the Parliamentary enquiry for example.
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Wondering why the head of the WSJ would resign...
Edit: Ah...nvm
Edit: Ah...nvm
Hinton, 67, has worked for Murdoch's News Corp. for 52 years and is one of the media baron's staunchest allies. He became head of Dow Jones in December 2007.
He was chairman of Murdoch's British newspaper arm during some of the years its staffers are alleged to have hacked cellphones, but he testified to a parliamentary committee in 2009 that he had seen no evidence that abuses had spread beyond a single jailed reporter, Clive Goodman.
Hinton said Friday that "the pain caused to innocent people (by hacking) is unimaginable."
"That I was ignorant of what apparently happened is irrelevant, and in the circumstances I feel it is proper for me to resign from News Corp. and apologize to those hurt by the actions of News of the World."
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She was released on bail. Not sure how she could avoid it tbh.Dilbert_X wrote:
Bear in mind, getting arrested might work to her advantage, she can avoid answering the Parliamentary enquiry for example.
If she isn't compliant when her boss is it could certainly go against her if her case is taken to court.
Now she's been arrested she can argue the Police enquiry takes precedence over Parliament, that anything she is forced to say in Parliament - where there is no right to silence IIRC - could prejudice her defence and so on, and thus justify refusing to attend Parliament.
Chances are the Police enquiry will fizzle out, she can just refuse to answer questions, and she'll be away free.
It works great for Murdoch, the only person who could nail him to the wall is probably Rebeka Brooks, she's just managed to avoid ever having to answer questions on the subject thanks to the Police arresting her, wheels within wheels eh?
Chances are the Police enquiry will fizzle out, she can just refuse to answer questions, and she'll be away free.
It works great for Murdoch, the only person who could nail him to the wall is probably Rebeka Brooks, she's just managed to avoid ever having to answer questions on the subject thanks to the Police arresting her, wheels within wheels eh?
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Keeping in time with me jabbing the POTUS for his head knock during marine 1, trying to walk through a window in attempting to enter the WH (not to mention being locked out) and failing to properly dress himself, and being 3 calander years off in signing a guest book for the queen.
The bamster still has trouble with time. Now it appears he either doesn't know what day it is or when his birthday is... I'll let you pick.
The bamster still has trouble with time. Now it appears he either doesn't know what day it is or when his birthday is... I'll let you pick.
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Nah I don't think Scotland Yard are going to drop the ball on this one. There's just too much reputation at stake on all sides here. The most senior police officer in the country resigned. Paul McCartney and David Beckham have also made allegations they were hacked, and are threatening to sue.
It's been a bad week for Murdoch, and it's only just started.
It's been a bad week for Murdoch, and it's only just started.
The head of the Met Police has just been forced to resign, they've already thoroughly dropped the ball, helping Rebekah Brooks avoid answering questions helps the Police too.
As I said already, Murdoch, NoW etc are wrapped up with paying murderers and meddling with murder investigations, this is yet to really be publicised. Its going to get a lot worse for Murdoch.
As I said already, Murdoch, NoW etc are wrapped up with paying murderers and meddling with murder investigations, this is yet to really be publicised. Its going to get a lot worse for Murdoch.
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He resigned to either distance himself from Brooks and/or the police so he doesn't drag anyone else down with him. Internal Affairs are going to have a field day with this.
British Police don't have 'Internal Affairs', what little disciplinary function they have won't be touching him.
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ex NOTW reporter just offed himself apparently.
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Nice link teds. The death of Hoare just adds a bit more drama to the whole saga.
Second police resignation over hacking scandal
Second police resignation over hacking scandal
This whole News of the World thing is like living in a John Grisham novel. Scandal, resignations, murder, no doubt a struggling young idealistic lawyer who will discover key information that puts his life at risk.
("Engrossing... Grisham spins a wild tale that keeps you captivated until the very end" - New York Times)
10,000th post by the way. That would have been significant some time in the past before the chat threads meant 10,000 posts put you below average in terms of regular members. Bah, thought I'd mark the occasion anyway.
("Engrossing... Grisham spins a wild tale that keeps you captivated until the very end" - New York Times)
10,000th post by the way. That would have been significant some time in the past before the chat threads meant 10,000 posts put you below average in terms of regular members. Bah, thought I'd mark the occasion anyway.
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Another Graham Kelley I wonder, be interesting to see if this is suspicious.FatherTed wrote:
ex NOTW reporter just offed himself apparently.
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Well they said his death isn't suspicious, but they don't know how he died.
Kinda sounds odd to me. But I guess what they're really saying is they can't confirm cause of death as it could be related to ill health.
Kinda sounds odd to me. But I guess what they're really saying is they can't confirm cause of death as it could be related to ill health.
It would also be significant if we had an easy way of telling our actual post count with resorting to search function buggery :pTy wrote:
This whole News of the World thing is like living in a John Grisham novel. Scandal, resignations, murder, no doubt a struggling young idealistic lawyer who will discover key information that puts his life at risk.
("Engrossing... Grisham spins a wild tale that keeps you captivated until the very end" - New York Times)
10,000th post by the way. That would have been significant some time in the past before the chat threads meant 10,000 posts put you below average in terms of regular members. Bah, thought I'd mark the occasion anyway.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
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Listening now.