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Jaekus wrote:

lowing wrote:

Jaekus wrote:

Anyone who thought prison was about "revenge" should really just move to a third world country.

Nope, I think prison is about the victims and justice. Not about coddling criminals with hugs and kumbaya.

Yeah, you don't understand, that's well established.

Well you are right, it has been long established that I do not understand the liberal mind set that society's responsibility, out-weighs personal responsibility.

I choose to think that society is better served, through personal responsibility. and those that can not find it within themselves to be responsible have no place in a society that thrives on it.

Jaekus wrote:

No, you don't understand by your statement about "coddling" and kumbaya.

No one is arguing for a reduction in sentencing, which you seem to keep banging on about. They're simply saying that as part of the punishment rehabilitation should be a part of it.

What's the point in punishing someone, reducing their life skills and then kicking them out with no hope in society? If anything they have more incentive to commit crime.

Far better to serve their term and rehabilitate them simultaneously. It's not going to work with everyone, but then nothing ever does.

I never said anyone suggested a reduction of sentencing. we are talking about what to do with people while they are incarcerated. It has been shown rehab and hugs, and hope, are not solving the problem.

What is the point of punishment? It is justice for the victims that these people hurt. You remember them? and if jail is not incentive enough to stay out of jail, then maybe they shouldn't be released at all.

Yeah not only does it not work for everyone, It does not work for the vast majority of them.

Last edited by lowing (2011-07-14 06:12:47)

Jaekus wrote:

There's a thing called development and evolution. Kinda how science and technology gets better over time. And if you think psychological practices like CBT which have been proven to work are coddling, you're just revealing your ignorance on the matter.

Face it Jaekus, rehab is bullshit unless people choose tp get help for some other reason than getting out of the jail cell for a few hours.

CBT? Isn't that used in drug and alcohol rehab, yeah the rehab with a 95-100% failure rate? Sounds like a great approach Jaekus, keep up the good work.

and forgive me if I am ignorant on the topic, my job is not to get paid to pretend I give a fuck about you and can solve all of your problems by merely talking to you or listening to your bullshit.

Last edited by lowing (2011-07-14 06:22:45)

Dilbert_X wrote:

So explain how the crime rate in your country is so much higher than most other countries.

Bearing in mind the US also has the highest proportion of people in prison and the death penalty.

System doesn't seem to be working, maybe you should look at systems which do.

Dunno Dilbert, but since the vast majority of Americans, even our poor have a greater quality of life than a lot of other nations, I would hardly say our system doesn't work.

Says the guy that's replying to him.... ..

Couple glasses of red.... hahahaha...

Jaekus wrote:

lowing wrote:

Jaekus wrote:

There's a thing called development and evolution. Kinda how science and technology gets better over time. And if you think psychological practices like CBT which have been proven to work are coddling, you're just revealing your ignorance on the matter.

Face it Jaekus, rehab is bullshit unless people choose tp get help for some other reason than getting out of the jail cell for a few hours.

CBT? Isn't that used in drug and alcohol rehab, yeah the rehab with a 95-100% failure rate? Sounds like a great approach Jaekus, keep up the good work.

and forgive me if I am ignorant on the topic, my job is not to get paid to pretend I give a fuck about you and can solve all of your problems by merely talking to you or listening to your bullshit.

Yeah, keep peddling that line. It just further proves to me you don't know what you're talking about

It's pretty sad how a 45 year old man trolls an internet forum based around computer games for "entertainment".

Haven't you got a wife and kids to spend time with? Or is that more bullshit?

Wow man, great life you have there. I sure envy you buddy.

that is a great way to avoid responding to the fact that the stats shows rehab is a failure, and that you can not support that your precious CBT works based on those stats.

and if you want to a healthy family life full of hobbies and sports, not addicted to drugs or alcohol, never been in any real trouble, be a home owner, have money in the bank, travel, and not have a job pretending you solve everyone elses problems, then yes, I am one to envy. If not, my life isn't for you.

I dunno dude, your personality just comes across as being so... dull.

And keep talking about my job, it's mildly amusing to see what other descriptions you can come up with.

jaekus wrote:

I now await for you to completely misinterpret what I said and put words in my mouth insinuating I mean something else

And not a truer thing has been said in this thread.

lowing wrote:

So much that makes me rage

Where to begin..

I am not your brother.

Prison is there to remove people from society. Not to make them miserable, or to appease victims or anything else it is literally for people who need to be separated from society. There will always be a need for prison in this capacity. However once you start getting up to the prison populations we are currently seeing in the US and UK you get to the point where such a significant proportion of society is in prison that you arent really separating people out anymore.

No Lowing. If people return to prison that means that whatever they went through the first time they committed a crime did not work. Surely the whole point of punishment is to discourage somebody from doing something. If it is not working to discourage an activity then one needs to ask two questions: Why? and What is the alternative?

Why do we arrest people who do crimes? Its not to make people feel better its to try and catch those responsible and stop them from doing it again. If they continue to commit crimes then what is the point in arresting them? You might as well just leave them to it.

I did not mention drug abuse so i am not sure where that reference comes from.

Presumably you are suggesting that prison should be solitary confinement so that inmates do not have any chance of socialising with one another. I'm not sure how you will reintegrate anybody back into society who has been in solitary for 2 years. I suppose you will argue that's not your problem though even though if they fail to reintegrate into society then it is society that pays the price.

You dont think prison has anything to do with victims as you do not care if your measures create future victims. Its all about revenge with you at the expense of everything else.

You are even driving me to agree with dilbert, he said that there is no point exacting revenge for a crime that need not have happened. This is the bit you are struggling with. Punishment for an offence is locking the door after the horse has bolted. Surely it is far better to prevent the horse getting away in the first place / to prevent a crime occurring. Re offending on many occasions is an avoidable crime. The justice / criminal / prison system has already had its best shot at preventing it and has failed.

Sure you are never going to have a 100% success rate. Hell even a 50% would be a massive achievement but you can do much better than we are at the moment.

jaekus wrote:

What's the point in punishing someone, reducing their life skills and then kicking them out with no hope in society? If anything they have more incentive to commit crime.

Lowing, explain the benefits to society of incentivising crime?

lowing wrote:

Dunno Dilbert, but since the vast majority of Americans, even our poor have a greater quality of life than a lot of other nations, I would hardly say our system doesn't work.

Even your poor have a greater quality of life than a lot of other nations?

I hope you aren't including life expectancy in quality of life as the US is falling further and further behind on that particular statistic. I also take massive issue with this huge unsubstantiated claim. There are millions of people in other countries that are far better off than the USA's poorest. I would also suggest that a significant proportion of your poorest are in fact in prison. Therefore when you get your way and make prison hell the USAs poorest will be significantly worse off than the rest of the world. Well played.

Last edited by Cheeky_Ninja06 (2011-07-14 07:30:38)

Jaekus wrote:

Yeah I guess a hick like you would find red wine to be so debonair.

No, just ghey.  For a 'bloke' whose never left his own country I'd be careful about using that word, as it ain't you.

13rin wrote:

Not a fan, I just pulled the where have you been tread as I was curious to see how many places such a refined, pinky off the stem guy such as yourself has traveled.  I was totally shocked to learn you've yet to leave that shithole called australia. 

I decided to fuck with you as you seemingly enjoy attempting to troll lowing.  I just kinda feel sad for you... Kidding, not really.

Let it all out now, there's a good fellow.

Feel better? Keep going if you do.

You might want to perhaps revise the "... nah just kidding" thing though. I remember using that in primary school, and I grew out of it by the time I reached puberty.

Last edited by Jaekus (2011-07-14 07:48:59)