yeah you know what you're talking about don't you?presidentsheep wrote:
Trotskygrad wrote:
phenethylamines?presidentsheep wrote:
Legalise and control:
LSD
Cannabis
Certain Barbiturates
Amphetamine
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Some others that I cant think of, a couple of -ines.
Tryptamines?All fall under -ines. though ketamine is a dirty nasty drug and there's no way i'm putting it inside meUzique wrote:
k e t a m i n e baby yehhh
Just turns people into dribbling zombies for a few hours, I'd still legalise it though.
There is a high level cover-up taking place. It was a gun running ring gone bad. The ATF fucked up. Two weapons (of some 1200) sold by ATF undercover agents to the assholes south of the border were found at this crime scene where these guys were assassinated. I'll post more later.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
Tell me again why we're not doing much about a problem much closer to home than the Middle East?
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/02/15/2- … in-mexico/One of two American immigration and customs officers who were shot in Mexico on Tuesday has died, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security said.
The two U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement special agents were shot while driving between Monterrey and Mexico City on Tuesday afternoon by unidentified gunmen, U.S. officials said
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An ICE official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said these were the first shootings of ICE agents in Mexico.
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"Let me be clear: Any act of violence against our ICE personnel - or any DHS personnel - is an attack against all those who serve our nation and put their lives at risk for our safety," Napolitano said. "The full resources of our department are at the disposal of our Mexican partners in this investigation. We remain committed in our broader support for Mexico's efforts to combat violence within its borders.
Won't work as they would just be executed by the cartels for accepting the $$.M.O.A.B wrote:
You solve the issue (in part) by paying local farmers more than the cartels do. The whole reason these people grow this shit is because the cartels take care of them, even to the point of providing healtcare.
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There's nothing to be gained from making it easier for people to get hold of Heroin, Crystal meth or Crack on a whim.Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:
You cant just legalize some drugs, you have to legalize and regulate all of them. I cant imagine it will ever happen that way but saying that banning drugs doesn't work so we are going to legalize soft drugs but continue a policy we know is failing for the more dangerous substances doesn't stand up.
Ultimately they will all be legalized and regulated its just a matter of general public perception being able to recognize the merit in this approach. As we all know though, the public is retarded and will take a long time to realize such a thing.
IF we're still talking about the big 3 I listed then there's still a ton of problems with letting adults of legal age get hold of those kinds of drugs.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Legalizing drugs wouldn't necessarily make it easier to get a hold of. Think back to when you were younger - it was easier for me to find and purchase herb in high school than it was alcohol.
Plenty of unoccupied overpasses for people who'd go down that path.jord wrote:
IF we're still talking about the big 3 I listed then there's still a ton of problems with letting adults of legal age get hold of those kinds of drugs.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Legalizing drugs wouldn't necessarily make it easier to get a hold of. Think back to when you were younger - it was easier for me to find and purchase herb in high school than it was alcohol.
"I've had a really bad few months, lost my job and family."
That guy now might hit the bars and get wasted over 3 days, no real biggie. However if he could get hold of something easily to wrap him up in cotton wool, wouldn't he? Wouldn't a lot of people?
It's easy to say that, but some people are more susceptible to a downhill spiral than others. Especially if hit with something like losing your wife and kids, or house, or life savings.mikkel wrote:
Plenty of unoccupied overpasses for people who'd go down that path.jord wrote:
IF we're still talking about the big 3 I listed then there's still a ton of problems with letting adults of legal age get hold of those kinds of drugs.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Legalizing drugs wouldn't necessarily make it easier to get a hold of. Think back to when you were younger - it was easier for me to find and purchase herb in high school than it was alcohol.
"I've had a really bad few months, lost my job and family."
That guy now might hit the bars and get wasted over 3 days, no real biggie. However if he could get hold of something easily to wrap him up in cotton wool, wouldn't he? Wouldn't a lot of people?
Yeah, the thread just felt wrong without lowing's gospel.jord wrote:
It's easy to say that, but some people are more susceptible to a downhill spiral than others. Especially if hit with something like losing your wife and kids, or house, or life savings.mikkel wrote:
Plenty of unoccupied overpasses for people who'd go down that path.jord wrote:
IF we're still talking about the big 3 I listed then there's still a ton of problems with letting adults of legal age get hold of those kinds of drugs.
"I've had a really bad few months, lost my job and family."
That guy now might hit the bars and get wasted over 3 days, no real biggie. However if he could get hold of something easily to wrap him up in cotton wool, wouldn't he? Wouldn't a lot of people?
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That's sort of why I made the distinction.Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:
Legalisation = / = free distribution.
There are a whole host of medical drugs that are very strong and legal, it doesn't mean anybody can take them whenever they want to.
Working or isn't working with regards to what? Drug legislation applies to a whole host of things, and they aren't all going to face exclusively positive or exclusively negative consequences to any kind of legislative intervention.Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:
Either banning drugs is working or it isnt, you cannot have it both ways.
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ketamine isn't as bad as people put it... depends how much you use. the high only lasts for around 30 mins and you gotta re-rack or smoke that bitch again (well for my friend who does it at least).Uzique wrote:
yeah you know what you're talking about don't you?presidentsheep wrote:
Trotskygrad wrote:
phenethylamines?
Tryptamines?All fall under -ines. though ketamine is a dirty nasty drug and there's no way i'm putting it inside meUzique wrote:
k e t a m i n e baby yehhh
Just turns people into dribbling zombies for a few hours, I'd still legalise it though.
lol you're not even a first-year yet. go buy some more hot topic clothes
When over 50% of the population has at least tried illegal banned substances I would maintain that as a general trend the ban is proving ineffective and that the sample rates are more of a reflection of society than legality.mikkel wrote:
That's sort of why I made the distinction.Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:
Legalisation = / = free distribution.
There are a whole host of medical drugs that are very strong and legal, it doesn't mean anybody can take them whenever they want to.Working or isn't working with regards to what? Drug legislation applies to a whole host of things, and they aren't all going to face exclusively positive or exclusively negative consequences to any kind of legislative intervention.Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:
Either banning drugs is working or it isnt, you cannot have it both ways.
You say this as if the only thing keeping people from hard core drugs is the fact that it is illegal. people are not chomping at the bit to do crystal meth and are just waiting for it to become legal. Everyone has already made their choices, the law is of little consequence to those decisions.mikkel wrote:
Yeah, the thread just felt wrong without lowing's gospel.jord wrote:
It's easy to say that, but some people are more susceptible to a downhill spiral than others. Especially if hit with something like losing your wife and kids, or house, or life savings.mikkel wrote:
Plenty of unoccupied overpasses for people who'd go down that path.
It's sort of a double-edged sword. Sure, violent cartels make less money, and the state gets a bit of additional income, but it's paid for in more unproductive members of society committing the crimes necessary to fund their addiction. Benign herbs, sure, but the harder, addictive stuff is just not something that should be distributed freely.
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wat13rin wrote:
Drugs are the cause, must end them.