Inmate hunger strike

2011-07-08 12:11:49

#1

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6891|USA

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/tho … 51550.html

"A handful of inmates who live in Pelican Bay State Prison's windowless, sound-proof 6-foot-by-10-foot isolation cells say they are ready to remain on the hunger strike until they die, or until officials at the facility agree to their DEMANDS. "

I dunno, do you think we could get that lucky?

By the looks of those that caved in and ate, I doubt it. Oh well

2011-07-08 12:13:01

#2

13rin: Member; +977|6719

, bro.

Meh'. Let em' die.

I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.

2011-07-08 12:24:32

#3

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6891|USA

Yeah well, I assume there will be some liberal appeaser to come along and coplain about "prisoners rights" and how their living conditions are so cruel. Proud of the fact that prisoners are in a position to make "demands" now.

2011-07-08 12:25:45

#4

eleven bravo: Member; +1,399|5499|foggy bottom

lowing wrote:
Yeah well, I assume there will be some liberal appeaser to come along and coplain about "prisoners rights" and how their living conditions are so cruel. Proud of the fact that prisoners are in a position to make "demands" now.

youre schillinger

Tu Stultus Es

2011-07-08 12:33:46

#5

SEREMAKER: BABYMAKIN EXPERT √; +2,187|6808|Mountains of NC

went from 6,600 to 1,700 .... lazy fuckers can't stick to anything

hope the food that was prepared didn't go to waste and went to a shelter

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2011-07-08 12:34:30

#6

eleven bravo: Member; +1,399|5499|foggy bottom

i wouldnt be surprised if a shelter turned it down.

Tu Stultus Es

2011-07-08 19:36:52

#7

tuckergustav: ...; +1,590|6153|...

meh. Protesting for the right to not be pressured to end gang activity. Fuck off and starve I say.

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2011-07-08 19:50:24

#8

13/f/taiwan: Member; +940|5939

don't blame them.

SEREMAKER wrote:
went from 6,600 to 1,700 .... lazy fuckers can't stick to anything

hope the food that was prepared didn't go to waste and went to a shelter

no one is going to eat that shit. homeless people have standards.

2011-07-08 19:55:47

#9

13/f/taiwan: Member; +940|5939

"Being in a gang is not good for them, and it's not good for the public safety, either."

lol, as if she cares for their well being. what makes her qualified to know what is/isn't good for someone? what a load of bullshit.

2011-07-08 20:27:24

#10

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5418|Sydney

Meh.

The interesting part of the article has been left out of the discussion. The hunger strike is meh, boring, a non issue.
Let them protest, not gonna change anything.

No, the interesting part is how is CA going to shed 1/4 of it's prisoner population.

2011-07-08 20:40:02

#11

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,053|7012|PNW

A number of the listed demands are fair and some are laughably non-punitive. Prison's often presented as "rehabilitation," but it doesn't mean you have to turn it into a bloody resort. However, if so many are willing to suffer for publicity, then something's wrong (by American standards). One solution would be to drastically reduce prison population by adapting (GASP!) to the failed war on drugs.

2011-07-08 21:07:12

#12

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5418|Sydney

Yeah that's the clear and better path take re: prison population reduction.

2011-07-08 22:45:54

#13

-Sh1fty-: plundering yee booty; +510|5713|Ventura, California

How do you lower prison populations without kicking people out that still have to do time? Could you impose other punishments for crimes instead of time behind bars?

And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.

2011-07-08 22:49:38

#14

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6915|Canberra, AUS

Like with any system with inputs and outputs - recalibrate the rates. Reduce the input rate (probably by adaptaing to the "war" on drugs) and it'll find a new equilibrium, hopefully one that involves less people being in prison.

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2011-07-09 02:48:14

#15

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6891|USA

-Sh1fty- wrote:
How do you lower prison populations without kicking people out that still have to do time? Could you impose other punishments for crimes instead of time behind bars?

you could actually make prison hell on earth, so bad people would be afraid to go there. You could also actually carry out the death sentence for capital crime. I mean if your only 2 choices are to let people out that do not deserve to be out, or thin the heard by punishing harsher for crime, I will take thinning the heard by punishing harsher, not less. People really need to be held accountable for their actions, if you don't, whats stopping them?

2011-07-09 02:50:27

#16

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6891|USA

unnamednewbie13 wrote:
A number of the listed demands are fair and some are laughably non-punitive. Prison's often presented as "rehabilitation," but it doesn't mean you have to turn it into a bloody resort. However, if so many are willing to suffer for publicity, then something's wrong (by American standards). One solution would be to drastically reduce prison population by adapting (GASP!) to the failed war on drugs.

I don't care what their "demands" are. The very thought they think they are allowed to demand anything says something is wrong with the system.

2011-07-09 03:01:36

#17

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5418|Sydney

Killing off prisoners to thin the numbers. Genius.

2011-07-09 03:06:28

#18

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6891|USA

Jaekus wrote:
Killing off prisoners to thin the numbers. Genius.

sighhhhhhhh...didn't say that Jaekus, I said executing prisoners for their capital offenses. Big difference, and I am quite sure you know that.

Better than the alternative, setting them free to thin the heard.

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2011-07-09 03:11:15

#19

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5418|Sydney

We weren't talking about setting free prisoners who commit capital offences. Far better to reduce the number of prisoners incarcerated for minor drug offences in the first place, you would achieve this end much more easily.

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2011-07-09 03:14:53

#20

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6915|Canberra, AUS

What proportion of prisoners are in for capital crimes anyway? I can't imagine it'd make a huge difference.

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2011-07-09 03:19:13

#21

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5418|Sydney

Spark wrote:
What proportion of prisoners are in for capital crimes anyway? I can't imagine it'd make a huge difference.

Exactly what I was about to suggest (busy getting ready to go out). The number of prisoners in prison for minor drug offences would FAR outweigh those in there for capital offence.

2011-07-09 03:22:07

#22

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6891|USA

Jaekus wrote:
We weren't talking about setting free prisoners who commit capital offences. Far better to reduce the number of prisoners incarcerated for minor drug offences in the first place, you would achieve this end much more easily.

exactly, and I wasn't talking about "killing off prisoners to thin the heard."

2011-07-09 03:26:58

#23

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6891|USA

Spark wrote:
What proportion of prisoners are in for capital crimes anyway? I can't imagine it'd make a huge difference.

Dunno, but there was more to what I said, and that was make prison, so bad people will be afraid to go. Not this bullshit of prisoners thinking they are in a position to make demands.

2011-07-09 03:27:34

#24

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5418|Sydney

As far as making prison "hell on earth" there are certain human rights laws that need to be followed. Unless you are incarcerated in Gitmo.

2011-07-09 03:34:32

#25

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6915|Canberra, AUS

lowing wrote:
Spark wrote:
What proportion of prisoners are in for capital crimes anyway? I can't imagine it'd make a huge difference.
Dunno, but there was more to what I said, and that was make prison, so bad people will be afraid to go. Not this bullshit of prisoners thinking they are in a position to make demands.

Does this really work though? My feeling is that this does very little to reduce crime rates real-world.

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

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