11 Bravo
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Dilbert_X wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia
wrong
11 Bravo
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Trotskygrad wrote:

War Man wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

But pro-US dictatorships which sell oil cheap and oppress their people = good ?
Never heard of any kind of pro-US dictatorships.
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

do historical examples count?
show one?

and define pro before you do.
Jay
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Pinochet
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Dilbert_X wrote:

But pro-US dictatorships which sell oil cheap and oppress their people = good ?
If those people want me and my countrymen dead, then yes.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
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Jay wrote:

Pinochet
please we just trade fruit with them.  nobody is pro US if you ask me.  they are just pro money.
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Fair assessment.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
FEOS
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Dilbert_X wrote:

FEOS wrote:

He's arranging/arranged it so that Venezuela's government has changed from a democracy to a dictatorship?
Is that worse than a two-party plutocracy?
For the 10,000th time, the US has more than two parties. Two parties dominate (just as in the UK and other countries), but we have FAR more than two parties. And you're confusing plutocracy with free-market republic.

Back to Venezuela: When you go from democracy to dictatorship, yes, that's a problem. Even when it is a benevolent dictatorship.
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Nyte
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What has Chavez done to US?  Make fun of them?

I thought US has tougher exterior than that.  Guess not since they get all cry-baby over shit like this.

Discussion over.
Alpha as fuck.
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Nyte wrote:

What has Chavez done to US?  Make fun of them?

I thought US has tougher exterior than that.  Guess not since they get all cry-baby over shit like this.

Discussion over.
Cry baby?  Hardly.  If anyone been the whiny bitch it's Chavez.  I wonder how quick his bro get assassinated.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
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Nyte wrote:

What has Chavez done to US?  Make fun of them?

I thought US has tougher exterior than that.  Guess not since they get all cry-baby over shit like this.

Discussion over.
amazing.

you do know most people in this country dont care what he says, right?  derp

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Jay
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As Venezuela's Hugo Chávez convalesces in a Havana hospital, his condition is shrouded in secrecy. The party line is that he had emergency surgery on June 10 for a pelvic abscess. But he has not been seen in public for more than two weeks and speculation is rampant that he is battling something more serious.

His critics ought to be careful what they wish for. While conventional wisdom holds that the demise of Mr. Chávez would set Venezuela free, it may instead make the country more repressive. If there is any justice in the world, he will return to Venezuela to marinate in his own stew—the economic disaster he has created over the past 12 years. A serious illness that takes him out of play would leave Venezuela haunted by the ghost of chavismo much as Peronism has haunted Argentina for the past half-century.

Some Venezuelans think they smell a rat. With living standards steadily declining in their country and popular discontent rising, these skeptics say that Mr. Chávez is looking for a way to revive his image. A triumphant return to Caracas, after he was believed to be near death in Cuba, might do the trick. If his "resurrection" coincides with the July 5 celebration of the nation's bicentennial anniversary, for which a Soviet-style military extravaganza is planned, it would be even more spectacular.

For the half or more of the population that opposes the Venezuelan strongman, even the thought of such a comeback is unbearable. They detest his never-ending decrees and manipulation of the law. But what rankles most among those who oppose him are his theatrics, like seizing the airwaves several times a day to sing songs and deliver demagogic rants. A hero's return is likely to heighten this narcissistic behavior. It is also true that he has said he will not leave power even if he loses the election next year.

Still, it is worth considering the alternative outcome. Because Mr. Chávez has destroyed institutions in order to foster a cult of personality, his mortality implies sheer chaos—as well as opportunity for the violent and ambitious. The bloodbath for power would not be between democrats and chavistas. It would be between the many armed factions that he has nurtured. Once victorious the winner will try to inherit his power by insisting that the nation worship his memory. Since none of his likely successors shares his charisma, repression is likely to get worse.

Cuba will be ready to help. The Castro brothers have long provided the security and intelligence apparatus that Mr. Chávez uses to stifle dissent. In exchange, Mr. Chávez funnels at least $5 billion annually to the island regime. The survival of that symbiotic relationship would be a top priority for the Cuban military dictatorship.

That a recovered Mr. Chávez would organize a welcoming committee for himself there is no doubt, and he might even get a bump in the polls from it. But he will also have to take responsibility for a host of Bolivarian-made problems.

For starters, he will have to confront the heavily armed mob that has taken over the El Rodeo prison in the state of Miranda, and the families of nearly 2,000 inmates whose lives are at risk. These are his constituents and he has promised to make the prison system more just. But things have only gotten worse during his presidency.

The nongovernmental organization, Venezuelan Prison Observatory (OVP), estimates that facilities built for 14,000 inmates now hold more than 49,000. It also says that almost 46% of those detained are in "judicial limbo" and do not know "the status of their case." According to the OVP, there was a 22% increase in prison deaths in the first quarter of this year over the same period last year. Since 1999 over 4,500 inmates have died.

El Rodeo is emblematic of a wider problem for Mr. Chávez: The most vulnerable Venezuelans are still waiting for him to deliver on his promises of a better life. Until now he has bribed them with subsidies and rhetoric. But near 30% inflation is destroying their income and his words are getting old.

The 30,000 families who lost their homes in the floods last fall were supposed to be a priority for his government. But they are still without shelter, and their protests are growing louder. Mr. Chávez has pledged to build 153,000 new homes this year, but in the first quarter only 1,600 were completed.

Add to this food shortages, electricity blackouts, capital flight and one of the worst crime rates in the hemisphere, and it's not surprising that the economic outlook is so bleak. Oil and drug trafficking have kept the military satisfied until now. But the patience of the masses will one day hit its limit. When it does, they ought to have the opportunity to direct their wrath at the architect of their misery.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 … 13008.html
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-Frederick Bastiat
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I need to start subscribing to that paper again as the delivery guy finally figured out I cancelled, six months ago.

I assumed his brother would step in and, either he'd be assassinated or military coup'ed out.  Either way the vacume is there.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
FEOS
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You assumed the brother of your delivery driver would step in and then either he'd be assassinated or military coup'ed out?

Brutal fucking paper route, that.
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― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Kmar
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I will say that having personally experienced Venezuela before and after Chavez, he has turned that country around. The question is at what cost? .. and is it sustainable? For the most part Venezuelans like Chavez. .. well, at least in Caracas.
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13rin wrote:

Chavez is in critical condition.
bad news 13rin - chavez won a majority. that makes 2 american socialist presidents that will win an election in 2012 . . .

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