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presidentsheep wrote:

No matter how many times I try to find the point of this thread I can't.

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

i didn't read anywhere in that bill that stipulated there can only be marriage between same sexes if the people are homosexual.

what stops people from lying and pretending to be homosexual to get married?

what stops heterosexual people from getting married to the opposite sex for financial gain?

What the fuck is this thread about again?

lowing wrote:

Jaekus wrote:

Who knows. It is retarded. Why not have a thread asking if a gay person can marry someone of the opposite sex?

Because they are already allowed to marry the opposite sex, just like everyone else.

Jaekus wrote:

lowing wrote:

Jaekus wrote:

Who knows. It is retarded. Why not have a thread asking if a gay person can marry someone of the opposite sex?

Because they are already allowed to marry the opposite sex, just like everyone else.

Well duh!

That's why this is called "same-sex marriage", meaning anyone can marry another person of the same gender.

Face it, this whole discussion is utterly ridiculous.

Last edited by lowing (2011-06-26 16:23:40)

lowing wrote:

Jaekus wrote:

lowing wrote:

Because they are already allowed to marry the opposite sex, just like everyone else.

Well duh!

That's why this is called "same-sex marriage", meaning anyone can marry another person of the same gender.

Face it, this whole discussion is utterly ridiculous.

As long as anyone can marry same sex and not just homosexuals, as I said we will see.

presidentsheep wrote:

lowing wrote:

presidentsheep wrote:

If you're going to lie to get married for financial reasons why, again, does it matter who you're marrying? Surely it doesn't really matter if you're marrying a man, woman or cardboard cutout of buzz lightyear?

I never had to declare that I was marrying for love, but you just suggested that you will have to lie about being gay to marry same sex, question is why?

You don't have to lie. You've just invented this.

Jaekus wrote:

For two non-gay people of the same gender to marry, they'd have to be a bit fucked in the head tbh.

lowing wrote:

Jay wrote:

lowing wrote:

I can't, I never said it did, I have always said, it is something that might be tested in court and that we will see. I have always said, I will be curious to see if this law means 2 people that are not gay, can marry without having to lie about their relationship.

And why would that be any different than two straight people marrying for benefits? Or... a gay person and a straight person (of different sexes) marrying for benefits?

It might not, I am saying that I would be curious to see of 2 straight people that declare they are straight and want to get married would get challenged by the govt. for NOT being gay and seeking same sex marriage.

When a woman recently asked for a copy of her marriage license, the court clerk in suburban Atlanta’s Gwinnett County had to break some unpleasant news: Her husband was listed as the groom in eight marriages in the county.

The husband was later arrested in September on suspicion of bigamy, just days after another man was charged in the same county with similar offenses. Two weeks later, a woman from nearby Decatur was charged with marrying six men in less than two years without ever dissolving her first marriage.

Federal immigration authorities are investigating whether the three defendants were part of a sham-marriage ring aimed at helping immigrants from Africa obtain their green cards, or permanent U.S. residency.

Immigration officials and prosecutors say phony green-card marriages are a common and growing crime, and they are cracking down.

“It took much more significance after 9/11,” said Martin Ficke, agent in charge of the New York City office of Immigration and Customs Enforcement. “With a real green card, you get a lot more access. It’s a major priority for ICE.”

If the three defendants were part of a green-card scheme, that would not surprise Gwinnett County Probate Court Chief Clerk Marlene Duwell, who has seen plenty of suspicious things among the thousands of people she deals with each year.

Last edited by Jay (2011-06-26 17:08:53)

Jay wrote:

lowing wrote:

Jay wrote:

And why would that be any different than two straight people marrying for benefits? Or... a gay person and a straight person (of different sexes) marrying for benefits?

It might not, I am saying that I would be curious to see of 2 straight people that declare they are straight and want to get married would get challenged by the govt. for NOT being gay and seeking same sex marriage.

If the goal is to defraud the government or a job or some such then it doesn't matter if the people committing the fraud are straight or gay. I'm fairly certain that straight people getting married for benefits has been prosecuted in the past.

Here, found an article about people being prosecuted for gaming the green card system:

When a woman recently asked for a copy of her marriage license, the court clerk in suburban Atlanta’s Gwinnett County had to break some unpleasant news: Her husband was listed as the groom in eight marriages in the county.

The husband was later arrested in September on suspicion of bigamy, just days after another man was charged in the same county with similar offenses. Two weeks later, a woman from nearby Decatur was charged with marrying six men in less than two years without ever dissolving her first marriage.

Federal immigration authorities are investigating whether the three defendants were part of a sham-marriage ring aimed at helping immigrants from Africa obtain their green cards, or permanent U.S. residency.

Immigration officials and prosecutors say phony green-card marriages are a common and growing crime, and they are cracking down.

“It took much more significance after 9/11,” said Martin Ficke, agent in charge of the New York City office of Immigration and Customs Enforcement. “With a real green card, you get a lot more access. It’s a major priority for ICE.”

If the three defendants were part of a green-card scheme, that would not surprise Gwinnett County Probate Court Chief Clerk Marlene Duwell, who has seen plenty of suspicious things among the thousands of people she deals with each year.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15351469/ns … marriages/

So why wouldn't phony same sex marriages be investigated too? Pro tip: they would be.

Last edited by lowing (2011-06-26 18:19:18)

Dauntless wrote:

lowing I don't read DST much, but I can normally see your point even if I don't agree with it

but I have no idea what you're trying to say here

Is it just "hey i wonder what would happen if two straight guys got married"?

like jay said, if people abuse marriage to game the system in some way they will be investigated, weather they had a gay marriage or straight marriage...