We did our part. USSR wouldn't last much longer without our supplies, not to mention we forced Germany to fight in two fronts.
The irony of guns, is that they can save lives.
the thing is, he shouldn't have to.Shocking wrote:
Wasn't Roosevelt trying to find an excuse to jump into WW2?
yeah, yeah, and then you sent everybody you "helped" a bill for your services.War Man wrote:
We did our part. USSR wouldn't last much longer without our supplies, not to mention we forced Germany to fight in two fronts.
he shouldn't have to.Shocking wrote:
he had to sell the war to the American public.
So he should just dictate his whims to the public? Obama should be allowed to declare war on his own?Shahter wrote:
he shouldn't have to.Shocking wrote:
he had to sell the war to the American public.
Not Russia, but hey. WW1 gave us nothing while we gave a shit ton, how'd you feel?Shahter wrote:
yeah, yeah, and then you sent everybody you "helped" a bill for your services.War Man wrote:
We did our part. USSR wouldn't last much longer without our supplies, not to mention we forced Germany to fight in two fronts.
fuck democracy. there are times when decisions have to be made disregarding how full the stomachs are. i bet roosevelt didn't have to sell anything to his public when "enlightened west" invested hugely into nazies. but when the abomination they created got loose - suddenly, they remembered "democratic process". pffft.Shocking wrote:
In a democracy ignoring the democratic process poses a problem if you want to get anywhere.
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"not russia"? oh, i forgot, you've no education whatsoever. well, i don't care either way.War Man wrote:
Not Russia
USSR and Russia are the same land and people, therefore I can say Russia instead of Soviet Union.Shahter wrote:
"not russia"? oh, i forgot, you've no education whatsoever. well, i don't care either way.War Man wrote:
Not Russia
Every form of government has its problems. In ours, the country is controlled by the masses.Shahter wrote:
fuck democracy. there are times when decisions have to be made disregarding how full the stomachs are. i bet roosevelt didn't have to sell anything to his public when "enlightened west" invested hugely into nazies. but when the abomination they created got loose - suddenly, they remembered "democratic process". pffft.Shocking wrote:
In a democracy ignoring the democratic process poses a problem if you want to get anywhere.
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it doesn't matter how many time you say this mantra - it won't change the fact that your "masses" have fuck all to do with controlling so called "western democracies". but that's beside the point of the later part of this discussion. you already posted everything that actually matters:Shocking wrote:
Every form of government has its problems. In ours, the country is controlled by the masses.
Shocking wrote:
But really now participating in the war is the best thing you could've possibly done. Economically and politically.
No Japan attacking pearl was.Shocking wrote:
uh what shahter? okay.
Wasn't Roosevelt trying to find an excuse to jump into WW2? Germany declaring war was perfect.
Actually, the masses have lots to do with how the 'western democracies' are controlled.Shahter wrote:
it doesn't matter how many time you say this mantra - it won't change the fact that your "masses" have fuck all to do with controlling so called "western democracies". but that's beside the point of the later part of this discussion. you already posted everything that actually matters:Shocking wrote:
Every form of government has its problems. In ours, the country is controlled by the masses.Shocking wrote:
But really now participating in the war is the best thing you could've possibly done. Economically and politically.
i'll let you live your life in this fairytale - who am i to crush your dreams with my "evil commie and silly marxist" rhetoric. but let me put it into perspective for you:Shocking wrote:
Actually, the masses have lots to do with how the 'western democracies' are controlled.Shahter wrote:
it doesn't matter how many time you say this mantra - it won't change the fact that your "masses" have fuck all to do with controlling so called "western democracies". but that's beside the point of the later part of this discussion. you already posted everything that actually matters:Shocking wrote:
Every form of government has its problems. In ours, the country is controlled by the masses.Shocking wrote:
But really now participating in the war is the best thing you could've possibly done. Economically and politically.
I did, but you're trying to twist it by demonizing them for it. The reality of the situation was that Roosevelt wanted to get involved but he couldn't. As long as the Germans didn't directly provoke the US there was no way he could've done anything about WW2. There's an example of the masses controlling the 'western democracies', the people didn't want that war and there's nothing that one man could've done about it.
if you don't account all the lives that's been lost - i guess. a fair deal. still, soviets told them to stick most of their "fair deal" right where the sun doesn't shine and i can't say i blame them.Other than that, as far as I'm concerned the lend lease was a fair deal. The only reason the US came out on top is because they were lucky to be at the other side of the planet. Good on them.
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War profiteering is a dirty business and everyone's guilty of it.Shahter wrote:
if you don't account all the lives that's been lost - i guess. a fair deal. still, soviets told them to stick most of their "fair deal" right where the sun doesn't shine and i can't say i blame them.Other than that, as far as I'm concerned the lend lease was a fair deal. The only reason the US came out on top is because they were lucky to be at the other side of the planet. Good on them.