Why would anyone live there, it's the most insignificant place in the US.ghettoperson wrote:
Does anyone live in/near Wisconsin? I'll PayPal $100 to the person who goes to WarMan's house and destroys everything that could be used to get on the internet.
We are having a discussion about what the law allows.lowing wrote:
plenty of people get married for convenience as well, with no fraud charges brought on.Kmar wrote:
You're basing you're argument around fraud. Which is illegal (that means they're breaking the law lowing).lowing wrote:
Not true. There might be 2 straight guys that want to get married for financial convenience of some sort. They are not allowed to do so. We are not allowed to marry who ever we want. We are ONLY allowed to marry a person of the opposite sex.
This is my point, and why the government should not be in the business of deciding what is or isn't a marriage.
At all. Fraud is just another check in my column.
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you're missing the point. Any laws passed need to apply to ALL citizens, not special laws for gays or straights. If a law is passed that says you can marry same sex, it should be restricted to only gay people. 2 male room mates may want to marry for tax reasons or health insurance reason etc..Jaekus wrote:
I'm sure you understand he means gay people did not have the right to marry their partners, ie. a monogamous relationship between two consenting adults that involves an emotional, physical and mental connection.lowing wrote:
Not true. There might be 2 straight guys that want to get married for financial convenience of some sort. They are not allowed to do so. We are not allowed to marry who ever we want. We are ONLY allowed to marry a person of the opposite sex.Kmar wrote:
Straights have right to marry who they want to. Gay's don't.. er didn't.
Well how are you gonna prove they're gay?lowing wrote:
you're missing the point. Any laws passed need to apply to ALL citizens, not special laws for gays or straights. If a law is passed that says you can marry same sex, it should be restricted to only gay people. 2 male room mates may want to marry for tax reasons or health insurance reason etc..Jaekus wrote:
I'm sure you understand he means gay people did not have the right to marry their partners, ie. a monogamous relationship between two consenting adults that involves an emotional, physical and mental connection.lowing wrote:
Not true. There might be 2 straight guys that want to get married for financial convenience of some sort. They are not allowed to do so. We are not allowed to marry who ever we want. We are ONLY allowed to marry a person of the opposite sex.
e: Like Jay said, plenty of straight sham marriages. And don't forget green card marriages!
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Well, now you have the right to marry another man. I'm all for having more rights, regardless of whether I will exercise them or not.lowing wrote:
you're missing the point. Any laws passed need to apply to ALL citizens, not special laws for gays or straights. If a law is passed that says you can marry same sex, it should be restricted to only gay people. 2 male room mates may want to marry for tax reasons or health insurance reason etc..Jaekus wrote:
I'm sure you understand he means gay people did not have the right to marry their partners, ie. a monogamous relationship between two consenting adults that involves an emotional, physical and mental connection.lowing wrote:
Not true. There might be 2 straight guys that want to get married for financial convenience of some sort. They are not allowed to do so. We are not allowed to marry who ever we want. We are ONLY allowed to marry a person of the opposite sex.
Now that I agree with. The govt. has no right to make such a distinction. My argument is the gays have no right to "special rights" or privileges. Any laws passed should not specify any one group of people.Kmar wrote:
We are having a discussion about what the law allows.lowing wrote:
plenty of people get married for convenience as well, with no fraud charges brought on.Kmar wrote:
You're basing you're argument around fraud. Which is illegal (that means they're breaking the law lowing).
This is my point, and why the government should not be in the business of deciding what is or isn't a marriage.
At all. Fraud is just another check in my column.
Really? You're basing your opinion on a fucking Adam Sandler movie? Holy fuck.lowing wrote:
you're missing the point. Any laws passed need to apply to ALL citizens, not special laws for gays or straights. If a law is passed that says you can marry same sex, it should be restricted to only gay people. 2 male room mates may want to marry for tax reasons or health insurance reason etc..Jaekus wrote:
I'm sure you understand he means gay people did not have the right to marry their partners, ie. a monogamous relationship between two consenting adults that involves an emotional, physical and mental connection.lowing wrote:
Not true. There might be 2 straight guys that want to get married for financial convenience of some sort. They are not allowed to do so. We are not allowed to marry who ever we want. We are ONLY allowed to marry a person of the opposite sex.
Lowing, what is stopping two straight people from marrying each other for health insurance right now? Nothing
They don't even need to know each other. They can meet on match.com or whatever, fly to Vegas and get married in an hour. They never have to see each other again.
What is stopping a gay person from marrying a straight person for health insurance? Nothing.
This is quite possibly the lamest argument you've ever made. So, you feel discriminated against because you are straight and you want to marry a guy. That's what this boils down to. You can marry all the men you want lowing. Just has to be one at a time.
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"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
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Try not to be so obvious in you're trolling. You might get more people to buy it.War Man wrote:
for the homos.
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They shouldn't need to prove they are gay. To allow a gay man to marry a gay man and not allow a straight man the same right is discrimination.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
Well how are you gonna prove they're gay?lowing wrote:
you're missing the point. Any laws passed need to apply to ALL citizens, not special laws for gays or straights. If a law is passed that says you can marry same sex, it should be restricted to only gay people. 2 male room mates may want to marry for tax reasons or health insurance reason etc..Jaekus wrote:
I'm sure you understand he means gay people did not have the right to marry their partners, ie. a monogamous relationship between two consenting adults that involves an emotional, physical and mental connection.
e: Like Jay said, plenty of straight sham marriages. And don't forget green card marriages!
Erm they are allowed? It's not like they make you take a gay test before allowing you to marry someone of the same sex. You just apply for the license and voila.lowing wrote:
They shouldn't need to prove they are gay. To allow a gay man to marry a gay man and not allow a straight man the same right is discrimination.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
Well how are you gonna prove they're gay?lowing wrote:
you're missing the point. Any laws passed need to apply to ALL citizens, not special laws for gays or straights. If a law is passed that says you can marry same sex, it should be restricted to only gay people. 2 male room mates may want to marry for tax reasons or health insurance reason etc..
e: Like Jay said, plenty of straight sham marriages. And don't forget green card marriages!
This is one of the more retarded things I have read in a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time.lowing wrote:
They shouldn't need to prove they are gay. To allow a gay man to marry a gay man and not allow a straight man the same right is discrimination.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
Well how are you gonna prove they're gay?lowing wrote:
you're missing the point. Any laws passed need to apply to ALL citizens, not special laws for gays or straights. If a law is passed that says you can marry same sex, it should be restricted to only gay people. 2 male room mates may want to marry for tax reasons or health insurance reason etc..
e: Like Jay said, plenty of straight sham marriages. And don't forget green card marriages!
I don't think even War Man could come up with that.
There is no need of proof you fucking idiot. If two men went for their marriage license they wouldn't be forced to kiss each other in public in order to prove that they are gay.lowing wrote:
They shouldn't need to prove they are gay. To allow a gay man to marry a gay man and not allow a straight man the same right is discrimination.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
Well how are you gonna prove they're gay?lowing wrote:
you're missing the point. Any laws passed need to apply to ALL citizens, not special laws for gays or straights. If a law is passed that says you can marry same sex, it should be restricted to only gay people. 2 male room mates may want to marry for tax reasons or health insurance reason etc..
e: Like Jay said, plenty of straight sham marriages. And don't forget green card marriages!
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Just an aspect for potential abuse. All ready exists though. I knew a guy in the navy that stayed married after he 'broke up with high school sweetie' just so she could keep the medical benefits (she had some sort of brain tumor).lowing wrote:
2 male room mates may want to marry for tax reasons or health insurance reason etc..
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His entire argument is based on this movie:Jaekus wrote:
This is one of the more retarded things I have read in a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time.lowing wrote:
They shouldn't need to prove they are gay. To allow a gay man to marry a gay man and not allow a straight man the same right is discrimination.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
Well how are you gonna prove they're gay?
e: Like Jay said, plenty of straight sham marriages. And don't forget green card marriages!
I don't think even War Man could come up with that.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Actually no, I have married opposite sex. but I didn't know we were arguing what I want. I thought we were arguing for all people, and yes there might be some instances where straight men might want to marry . I mean hell, remember the guy that sued hooters for not hiring him as a hooter waiter? lol Mark my words, if you pass laws that only apply to gays, it will be tested with a law suit.Jay wrote:
Really? You're basing your opinion on a fucking Adam Sandler movie? Holy fuck.lowing wrote:
you're missing the point. Any laws passed need to apply to ALL citizens, not special laws for gays or straights. If a law is passed that says you can marry same sex, it should be restricted to only gay people. 2 male room mates may want to marry for tax reasons or health insurance reason etc..Jaekus wrote:
I'm sure you understand he means gay people did not have the right to marry their partners, ie. a monogamous relationship between two consenting adults that involves an emotional, physical and mental connection.
Lowing, what is stopping two straight people from marrying each other for health insurance right now? Nothing
What is stopping a gay person from marrying a straight person for health insurance? Nothing.
This is quite possibly the lamest argument you've ever made. So, you feel discriminated against because you are straight and you want to marry a guy. That's what this boils down to. You can marry all the men you want lowing. Just has to be one at a time.
You seem very angry today....Jay wrote:
There is no need of proof you fucking idiot. If two men went for their marriage license they wouldn't be forced to kiss each other in public in order to prove that they are gay.
You ok man?
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Arguing with stupid people pisses me off.13rin wrote:
You seem very angry today....Jay wrote:
There is no need of proof you fucking idiot. If two men went for their marriage license they wouldn't be forced to kiss each other in public in order to prove that they are gay.
You ok man?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
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As long as the laws are written to include ALL people and not gay people. there shouldn't be a problem.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
Erm they are allowed? It's not like they make you take a gay test before allowing you to marry someone of the same sex. You just apply for the license and voila.lowing wrote:
They shouldn't need to prove they are gay. To allow a gay man to marry a gay man and not allow a straight man the same right is discrimination.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
Well how are you gonna prove they're gay?
e: Like Jay said, plenty of straight sham marriages. And don't forget green card marriages!
lowing you're an idiot, the law doesn't apply "only to gays." It legalizes SAME SEX MARRIAGE. As in if you and your male roommate want to get married for some sort of benefit ("it's totally not gay, dude!") you can.lowing wrote:
Actually no, I have married opposite sex. but I didn't know we were arguing what I want. I thought we were arguing for all people, and yes there might be some instances where straight men might want to marry . I mean hell, remember the guy that sued hooters for not hiring him as a hooter waiter? lol Mark my words, if you pass laws that only apply to gays, it will be tested with a law suit.Jay wrote:
Really? You're basing your opinion on a fucking Adam Sandler movie? Holy fuck.lowing wrote:
you're missing the point. Any laws passed need to apply to ALL citizens, not special laws for gays or straights. If a law is passed that says you can marry same sex, it should be restricted to only gay people. 2 male room mates may want to marry for tax reasons or health insurance reason etc..
Lowing, what is stopping two straight people from marrying each other for health insurance right now? Nothing
What is stopping a gay person from marrying a straight person for health insurance? Nothing.
This is quite possibly the lamest argument you've ever made. So, you feel discriminated against because you are straight and you want to marry a guy. That's what this boils down to. You can marry all the men you want lowing. Just has to be one at a time.
If you want to talk about slippery slopes, passing laws for specific groups, excluding others, is as slippery as it gets. That is my point.
Requesting thread closure.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Sorry, I didn't read the law I don't know what it says. However, ff you say the law is for all people then I have no problem.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
lowing you're an idiot, the law doesn't apply "only to gays." It legalizes SAME SEX MARRIAGE. As in if you and your male roommate want to get married for some sort of benefit ("it's totally not gay, dude!") you can.lowing wrote:
Actually no, I have married opposite sex. but I didn't know we were arguing what I want. I thought we were arguing for all people, and yes there might be some instances where straight men might want to marry . I mean hell, remember the guy that sued hooters for not hiring him as a hooter waiter? lol Mark my words, if you pass laws that only apply to gays, it will be tested with a law suit.Jay wrote:
Really? You're basing your opinion on a fucking Adam Sandler movie? Holy fuck.
Lowing, what is stopping two straight people from marrying each other for health insurance right now? Nothing
What is stopping a gay person from marrying a straight person for health insurance? Nothing.
This is quite possibly the lamest argument you've ever made. So, you feel discriminated against because you are straight and you want to marry a guy. That's what this boils down to. You can marry all the men you want lowing. Just has to be one at a time.
Do you hate it?Jay wrote:
Arguing with stupid people pisses me off.13rin wrote:
You seem very angry today....Jay wrote:
There is no need of proof you fucking idiot. If two men went for their marriage license they wouldn't be forced to kiss each other in public in order to prove that they are gay.
You ok man?
The irony of guns, is that they can save lives.
Cool, glad we could come to agreement on that.lowing wrote:
Sorry, I didn't read the law I don't know what it says. However, ff you say the law is for all people then I have no problem.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
lowing you're an idiot, the law doesn't apply "only to gays." It legalizes SAME SEX MARRIAGE. As in if you and your male roommate want to get married for some sort of benefit ("it's totally not gay, dude!") you can.lowing wrote:
Actually no, I have married opposite sex. but I didn't know we were arguing what I want. I thought we were arguing for all people, and yes there might be some instances where straight men might want to marry . I mean hell, remember the guy that sued hooters for not hiring him as a hooter waiter? lol Mark my words, if you pass laws that only apply to gays, it will be tested with a law suit.
Done.Jay wrote:
Requesting thread closure.
Every time someone hit reply in this thread the forum sunk into a deeper swamp of dumb.
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