no more of a shame than any other celebrity doing the same thing. She is in demand and she is cashing in on that, I don't care. She isn't getting any of my money.AussieReaper wrote:
You're probably right. And I think Palin knows it too. She's just doing all these tours / book signings / tv shows just as a way to make money which is a shame.lowing wrote:
actually I don't want her anywhere near it. I think where ever she goes, it will eliminate all chances of a republican victory and thus ensuring more Obama.AussieReaper wrote:
Well if not Palin for President, I think she'd make a fine VP. Problem is, who does she align with the most?
I personally would loathe to see a Bachmann/Palin ticket.
It's the fact that she started doing it right after she quit her elected office that is bothersome.
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Why?Kmar wrote:
It's the fact that she started doing it right after she quit her elected office that is bothersome.
People only go into politics to make money.
Fuck Israel
Because it is complete abandonment. There is something fundamentally wrong without at least the appearance of effort.
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CEOs jump ship without any thought except for the money, why not politicians?
Its not as if they're in it for their fellow man.
Its not as if they're in it for their fellow man.
Fuck Israel
CEO's are not Publicly elected servants. And they sure as hell "don't jump" ship to make less money.Dilbert_X wrote:
CEOs jump ship without any thought except for the money, why not politicians?
Its not as if they're in it for their fellow man.
Consider what these guys have made in the private sector.
John Edwards $57 million
Giuliani $52 Million
McCain $44 Million
Romney $202 Million
H Clinton $35 million
They hardly need the money.
Not to mention Trump if he runs as an independent. .. or other previous Billionaires who have made runs.
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i wish i had romney money
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Really it's probably more than that too.eleven bravo wrote:
i wish i had romney money
My governor is worth about the same.
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Yea, this is nice.
And as far as I know (and I do), LLP's have to disclose.Rick Scott reported an eye-popping net worth of more than $218
million last month in forms filed with the state Division of Elections.
But the Republican candidate for governor also has tens of millions
of dollars tucked in a trust under his wife's name and in a family
limited partnership. He has amassed a complicated network of
investments, holdings and companies designed to shield against legal and
tax liabilities, according to a St. Petersburg Times review of his
financial holdings.
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I was talking about the non-germane things you keep dragging into the discussion--those things I never once bring into my argument, yet you keep bringing up for some reason (her clothing, etc). When the points are relevant, I address them. The disconnect on this might be due to a day or so going by between exchanges.lowing wrote:
Well then FEOS, you are losin' it cuz this is what you said, and what I addressedFEOS wrote:
No, lowing. I didn't.lowing wrote:
You didn't say the things I addressed? you might wanna go back and re-read your own post FEOS.Benefiting personally from a decision does not make the decision correct or right, lowing. Read my sig.lowing wrote:
AS I SAID, YOU might not like her quitting, that is fine, it is also fair for you to say she is unfit to be a leader because of it, but that does not indicate she "lacks critical thinking". On the contrary, she has benefited quit well after walking away.
She does not stand out as any more or less stupid than anyone else with a youtube hit full of spoken dumb shit in washington, really doesn't deserve that attention any more or less than any of them.
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Her critical thinking IS real, lowing. There are many examples of her poor critical thinking (bridge to nowhere endorsement before not endorsing it anyone?). Choosing to quit the office the people of her state had elected her to execute. They did not elect her to do nation-wide bus tours and reality TV shows in order to "reach more people with her message." Those "real" enough for you.
lol, not what I said, I said your examples do not show a lack of intelligence or "critical thinking". You can be unscrupulous or unethical and still know exactly what you are doing and have thought the matter through.
So I am not "losin' it". Just because she's fallen ass-backwards into tea party success does not mean that her thought process was sound from a policy perspective. She may be shrewd from a money-making, publicity perspective. That doesn't mean she has the chops to be POTUS. And it certainly does not mean her critical thinking skills are up to snuff. Otherwise, saying "man and dinosaurs coexisted" or even implying the same would never have happened.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
No, you are losing it, because I addressed EXACTLY the things you brought up, go back and read what I highlighted.FEOS wrote:
I was talking about the non-germane things you keep dragging into the discussion--those things I never once bring into my argument, yet you keep bringing up for some reason (her clothing, etc). When the points are relevant, I address them. The disconnect on this might be due to a day or so going by between exchanges.lowing wrote:
Well then FEOS, you are losin' it cuz this is what you said, and what I addressedFEOS wrote:
No, lowing. I didn't.lowing wrote:
You didn't say the things I addressed? you might wanna go back and re-read your own post FEOS.
Benefiting personally from a decision does not make the decision correct or right, lowing. Read my sig.
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Her critical thinking IS real, lowing. There are many examples of her poor critical thinking (bridge to nowhere endorsement before not endorsing it anyone?). Choosing to quit the office the people of her state had elected her to execute. They did not elect her to do nation-wide bus tours and reality TV shows in order to "reach more people with her message." Those "real" enough for you.
lol, not what I said, I said your examples do not show a lack of intelligence or "critical thinking". You can be unscrupulous or unethical and still know exactly what you are doing and have thought the matter through.
So I am not "losin' it". Just because she's fallen ass-backwards into tea party success does not mean that her thought process was sound from a policy perspective. She may be shrewd from a money-making, publicity perspective. That doesn't mean she has the chops to be POTUS. And it certainly does not mean her critical thinking skills are up to snuff. Otherwise, saying "man and dinosaurs coexisted" or even implying the same would never have happened.
What policy? She has no policy, she is not in office in any capacity. She is capitalizing on her popularity. Again, that is not an example of stupidity or a lack of critical thinking.
Her critical thinking skills may not be up to snuff, but your examples as to why do not hold water, because, whatever her thinking, there is no doubt it benefits her. to say it is by accident, is nothing but being a hater.
wah wah QQ. If you make dumb comments, expect to be treated as such.lowing wrote:
if you can't prove a negative, then you can't really claim one exists then either.Jaekus wrote:
Basic rule of logic: you can't prove a negative.lowing wrote:
Thats fine, don't prove your claims to him either, I don't care.
Should try it sometime.
what you can do is provide reason for your conclusions, you don't want to, and choose to insult instead, I can't help that
Someone asked if she supports it, I said no, how can I prove a lack of support?
Never said she was against it, but seeing as no one can link to anywhere she has said she does support it, how can anyone say she does? derp.
wow, so you really think you can not show a lack of support of an issue? really?Jaekus wrote:
wah wah QQ. If you make dumb comments, expect to be treated as such.lowing wrote:
if you can't prove a negative, then you can't really claim one exists then either.Jaekus wrote:
Basic rule of logic: you can't prove a negative.
Should try it sometime.
what you can do is provide reason for your conclusions, you don't want to, and choose to insult instead, I can't help that
Someone asked if she supports it, I said no, how can I prove a lack of support?
Never said she was against it, but seeing as no one can link to anywhere she has said she does support it, how can anyone say she does? derp.
c'mon, you're just tryin' to be a smart ass right? Wait hold on.....nope, I don't care, never mind.
She has not shown to support it = lack of support.
With her other stances on issues it's unlikely she would at any rate.
With her other stances on issues it's unlikely she would at any rate.
well actually she has praised alaska for their 95% organ donator program participation , so I really have no idea how you can say she would not support it, but really, neither do you, so no matter.Jaekus wrote:
She has not shown to support it = lack of support.
With her other stances on issues it's unlikely she would at any rate.
Link?
http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Sarah_ … h_Care.htmJaekus wrote:
Link?
Signed up as organ donor; Alaska leads the states
Gov. Palin today applauded the milestone that more than half of Alaska residents--335,033 people--have signed up to be organ and tissue donors. Alaska is the first state with a donor registry to enroll more than half of its state’s population. The Governor, First Gentleman and their two oldest children are organ and tissue donors.
“I am proud that so many residents recognize the life-giving benefits of organ and tissue donation,” Governor Palin said. “Their willingness to donate demonstrate the selfless and generous nature of Alaskans.“
April is National Donate Life Month. Every day in April, people across the U.S. make a special effort to celebrate the tremendous generosity of those who have saved lives by becoming organ, tissue, marrow, and blood donors. Life Alaska Donor Services is the tissue donation organization serving the State of Alaska, offering the option of donation to families who have suffered a death.
I did make a mistake it was 55% and I typed 95%. Still, more than any other state and she herself is a donor. Now, did you want to support your claim that she does not support organ donor programs?
Well, this could have been solved when I asked for the link over a page ago, but I stand corrected.
I would say something about being able to die now, I have seen everything, but I know all the comments that would generate.Jaekus wrote:
Well, this could have been solved when I asked for the link over a page ago, but I stand corrected.
Oh, I can freely admit my errors when provided with evidence to the contrary. Doesn't happen very often though
Again, having success after a poor decision does not make the decision any less poor. It simply means that she has made other decisions following that one that weren't. Quitting office was a bad decision. Doing all the publicity whore stuff is benefiting her personally, sure. Is that a good decision? For her. Is it for the people who elected her that she walked out on? Most definitely not. Again: critical thinking. You see only the surface. Critical thinking is about analyzing from multiple angles.lowing wrote:
No, you are losing it, because I addressed EXACTLY the things you brought up, go back and read what I highlighted.FEOS wrote:
I was talking about the non-germane things you keep dragging into the discussion--those things I never once bring into my argument, yet you keep bringing up for some reason (her clothing, etc). When the points are relevant, I address them. The disconnect on this might be due to a day or so going by between exchanges.lowing wrote:
Well then FEOS, you are losin' it cuz this is what you said, and what I addressed
FEOS wrote:
Her critical thinking IS real, lowing. There are many examples of her poor critical thinking (bridge to nowhere endorsement before not endorsing it anyone?). Choosing to quit the office the people of her state had elected her to execute. They did not elect her to do nation-wide bus tours and reality TV shows in order to "reach more people with her message." Those "real" enough for you.
lol, not what I said, I said your examples do not show a lack of intelligence or "critical thinking". You can be unscrupulous or unethical and still know exactly what you are doing and have thought the matter through.
So I am not "losin' it". Just because she's fallen ass-backwards into tea party success does not mean that her thought process was sound from a policy perspective. She may be shrewd from a money-making, publicity perspective. That doesn't mean she has the chops to be POTUS. And it certainly does not mean her critical thinking skills are up to snuff. Otherwise, saying "man and dinosaurs coexisted" or even implying the same would never have happened.
What policy? She has no policy, she is not in office in any capacity. She is capitalizing on her popularity. Again, that is not an example of stupidity or a lack of critical thinking.
Her critical thinking skills may not be up to snuff, but your examples as to why do not hold water, because, whatever her thinking, there is no doubt it benefits her. to say it is by accident, is nothing but being a hater.
And...as stated before I'm not a "Palin hater". On a personal level, I connect with her. I just don't think she has what it takes to be POTUS.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
It is simply obvious what she did, she did for herself, and it is working for her. What seems to be a bad decision is the people deciding to elect her to office in the first place. She is not stupid, good or bad, the decisions she has made to increase her popularity and her income, IS working, and smacks of calculating manipulations rather than stupidity. but whatever, agree to disagree I suppose.FEOS wrote:
Again, having success after a poor decision does not make the decision any less poor. It simply means that she has made other decisions following that one that weren't. Quitting office was a bad decision. Doing all the publicity whore stuff is benefiting her personally, sure. Is that a good decision? For her. Is it for the people who elected her that she walked out on? Most definitely not. Again: critical thinking. You see only the surface. Critical thinking is about analyzing from multiple angles.lowing wrote:
No, you are losing it, because I addressed EXACTLY the things you brought up, go back and read what I highlighted.FEOS wrote:
I was talking about the non-germane things you keep dragging into the discussion--those things I never once bring into my argument, yet you keep bringing up for some reason (her clothing, etc). When the points are relevant, I address them. The disconnect on this might be due to a day or so going by between exchanges.
So I am not "losin' it". Just because she's fallen ass-backwards into tea party success does not mean that her thought process was sound from a policy perspective. She may be shrewd from a money-making, publicity perspective. That doesn't mean she has the chops to be POTUS. And it certainly does not mean her critical thinking skills are up to snuff. Otherwise, saying "man and dinosaurs coexisted" or even implying the same would never have happened.
What policy? She has no policy, she is not in office in any capacity. She is capitalizing on her popularity. Again, that is not an example of stupidity or a lack of critical thinking.
Her critical thinking skills may not be up to snuff, but your examples as to why do not hold water, because, whatever her thinking, there is no doubt it benefits her. to say it is by accident, is nothing but being a hater.
And...as stated before I'm not a "Palin hater". On a personal level, I connect with her. I just don't think she has what it takes to be POTUS.
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eleven bravo wrote:
derp
So her Documentary "Undefeated" premiered in Iowa. Seems like an odd title for the losing vice presidential candidate.
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You connect with her? I always thought you were a reasonably smart guy FEOS. I'm disappointed.FEOS wrote:
Again, having success after a poor decision does not make the decision any less poor. It simply means that she has made other decisions following that one that weren't. Quitting office was a bad decision. Doing all the publicity whore stuff is benefiting her personally, sure. Is that a good decision? For her. Is it for the people who elected her that she walked out on? Most definitely not. Again: critical thinking. You see only the surface. Critical thinking is about analyzing from multiple angles.lowing wrote:
No, you are losing it, because I addressed EXACTLY the things you brought up, go back and read what I highlighted.FEOS wrote:
I was talking about the non-germane things you keep dragging into the discussion--those things I never once bring into my argument, yet you keep bringing up for some reason (her clothing, etc). When the points are relevant, I address them. The disconnect on this might be due to a day or so going by between exchanges.
So I am not "losin' it". Just because she's fallen ass-backwards into tea party success does not mean that her thought process was sound from a policy perspective. She may be shrewd from a money-making, publicity perspective. That doesn't mean she has the chops to be POTUS. And it certainly does not mean her critical thinking skills are up to snuff. Otherwise, saying "man and dinosaurs coexisted" or even implying the same would never have happened.
What policy? She has no policy, she is not in office in any capacity. She is capitalizing on her popularity. Again, that is not an example of stupidity or a lack of critical thinking.
Her critical thinking skills may not be up to snuff, but your examples as to why do not hold water, because, whatever her thinking, there is no doubt it benefits her. to say it is by accident, is nothing but being a hater.
And...as stated before I'm not a "Palin hater". On a personal level, I connect with her. I just don't think she has what it takes to be POTUS.